FCP-L: Oct 31, 2009

Saturday, October 31, 2009

[FCP-L] Re: OT: OL RED CENTRE PK

Ian,

> IAN WILSON wrote:
> Oliver, there was never any intention to announce Scarlet stuff
> yesterday, that was always due on the 30th November.Yesterday was
> always just an EPIC day.

That may well be true. I'm merely going by the speculation of owners that I know and the comments made on REDuser itself. The point of my comment was that based on Jannard's own comments, Scarlet appears to be late 2010 if at all.

What they did in 2008 was present users with a 5-year developmental roadmap and let every fanboy believe they could deliver it in 1 year. Clearly that's not the case, for all the obvious and understandable reasons. This stuff's harder than it looks ;-)

> The test will be if they meet that date.
> It will be interesting to see whether they go after Cannon in terms of
> price. How much extra would one pay for a Scarlet over a 7D?

I don't believe they have the manufacturing resources to make that happen. Let's say they matched a 7D in price, including glass. If they match the sales potential (10's of thousands of cameras) they wouldn't be able to deliver. So why drop the price, when you can sell all that you can produce at a higher price?

- Oliver

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Re: [FCP-L] Happy Halloween!

Hmmm good point.

I'd say its "snobbish to have an opinion" when your "opinion" is dismissive (which is what bothered me (If you care to know).

There were a lot of other people who couldn't care less about you or I or our opinions. Its the Internet.

But its fine, man... you have that right... we live in a great world and great time.

george

Since when is it snobbish to have an opinion?

David Dodson

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Re: [FCP-L] Happy Halloween!

Hmmm good point.

I'd say its "snobbish to have an opinion" when your "opinion" is dismiss (which is what bothered me (If you care to know).

There were a lot of other people who couldn't care less about you or I or our opinions. Its the Internet.

But its fine, man... you have that right... we live in a great world and great time.

george

--- On Sat, 10/31/09, James Culbertson <albion@speakeasy.net> wrote:

An editor's worst nightmare? A Director's Halloween trick on us

editors?

I enjoyed it nevertheless.

James

On Oct 31, 2009, at 12:18 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:

> Had it been an SNL piece it would have been about a minute and no

> humor would have been lost. It certainly was a tremendous technical

> and craft achievement. Seems overkill in length to me (pun intended)

> or should I say "Over and Over kill" Even as a show piece it could

> have easily been half the length. Wonder whose credit card footed

> the bill?

> --- In FinalCutPro- L@yahoogroups. com, Multimediac <mr_ree_mann@ ...>

> wrote:

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> > "Indulgent" sounds pretty snobbish to me David. Usually the

> curmudgeonry here bitches about the shakey cams and godawful

> production value. He had no shortage of great make up, effects,

> acting, and footage.

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> > I thought it was a great showpiece and original... the fact it was

> long amplified it was a slow brutal death.

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> > George

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> > Good lord, indulgent is the word.

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> > Why in heaven's name would anyone spend that much time and that

> much money on a one-gag bit that they've protracted into 10

> agonizing (and I don't mean that in a good way) minutes?

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> > As it's been well-noted, brevity IS the soul of wit.

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Re: [FCP-L] Re: OL RED CENTRE PK

On 01/11/2009, at 2:50 AM, Oliver said
<SNIP>
>
> As I expected, it shows that the Scarlet isn't anywhere close to
> ready. Even after being redesigned to compete with the HDSLRs it is
> having to be redesigned yet again. Looks like this release is
> targeting the higher-end users and trade-up RED One owners first.
>
> - Oliver

Oliver, there was never any intention to announce Scarlet stuff
yesterday, that was always due on the 30th November.Yesterday was
always just an EPIC day.

The test will be if they meet that date.
It will be interesting to see whether they go after Cannon in terms of
price. How much extra would one pay for a Scarlet over a 7D?

Ian Wilson
Colortape Productions
Ian@colortape.tv
0418 327 082
Via iPhone

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Re: [FCP-L] Happy Halloween!

Since when is it snobbish to have an opinion?

D
David Dodson
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Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Happy Halloween!

I agree with George. Jealous, David?? lol - it was a funny bit.

On Oct 31, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Multimediac wrote:

> "Indulgent" sounds pretty snobbish to me David. Usually the
> curmudgeonry here bitches about the shakey cams and godawful
> production value. He had no shortage of great make up, effects,
> acting, and footage.
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> I thought it was a great showpiece and original... the fact it was
> long amplified it was a slow brutal death.
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> George
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> Good lord, indulgent is the word.
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> Why in heaven's name would anyone spend that much time and that much
> money on a one-gag bit that they've protracted into 10 agonizing
> (and I don't mean that in a good way) minutes?
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> As it's been well-noted, brevity IS the soul of wit.
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> David Dodson
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> 818-523-0905 mobile
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Re: [FCP-L] Happy Halloween!

An editor's worst nightmare? A Director's Halloween trick on us
editors?

I enjoyed it nevertheless.

James

On Oct 31, 2009, at 12:18 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:

> Had it been an SNL piece it would have been about a minute and no
> humor would have been lost. It certainly was a tremendous technical
> and craft achievement. Seems overkill in length to me (pun intended)
> or should I say "Over and Over kill" Even as a show piece it could
> have easily been half the length. Wonder whose credit card footed
> the bill?
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> --- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Multimediac <mr_ree_mann@...>
> wrote:
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> > "Indulgent" sounds pretty snobbish to me David. Usually the
> curmudgeonry here bitches about the shakey cams and godawful
> production value. He had no shortage of great make up, effects,
> acting, and footage.
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> long amplified it was a slow brutal death.
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Re: [FCP-L] Happy Halloween!

Had it been an SNL piece it would have been about a minute and no humor would have been lost. It certainly was a tremendous technical and craft achievement. Seems overkill in length to me (pun intended) or should I say "Over and Over kill" Even as a show piece it could have easily been half the length. Wonder whose credit card footed the bill?

--- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Multimediac <mr_ree_mann@...> wrote:
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> "Indulgent" sounds pretty snobbish to me David. Usually the curmudgeonry here bitches about the shakey cams and godawful production value. He had no shortage of great make up, effects, acting, and footage.
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> 818-541-1225
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[FCP-L] Re: Apple HDV Codec Field Order?

Turns out they recapture from tape and all is well. I'll find out in a while how different the levels are. I'm use to HDV coming in peaking at 110%ish but all the clips (before recapture) were pretty washed out and low in overall level. Could have been shot that way originally but nothing was over 100% so it felt like it had some change to the original. As to the field order can you speculate why it needs to be imported as even to work correctly in Avid? Since it has to be converted first to a compatible codec I figure that could be causing it. I tried animation and Avid Packed codec and both had to be imported even lower first.

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> Best
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Re: [FCP-L] Happy Halloween!

I agree with George. Jealous, David?? lol - it was a funny bit.

On Oct 31, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Multimediac wrote:

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Re: [FCP-L] Happy Halloween!

"Indulgent" sounds pretty snobbish to me David. Usually the curmudgeonry here bitches about the shakey cams and godawful production value. He had no shortage of great make up, effects, acting, and footage.

I thought it was a great showpiece and original... the fact it was long amplified it was a slow brutal death.

George

Good lord, indulgent is the word.

Why in heaven's name would anyone spend that much time and that much money on a one-gag bit that they've protracted into 10 agonizing (and I don't mean that in a good way) minutes?

As it's been well-noted, brevity IS the soul of wit.

David Dodson

davidadodson@ sbcglobal. net

818-541-1225

818-523-0905 mobile

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From: Barry Stevens <bazza76@mac. com>

To: FinalCutPro- L@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 1:46:39 PM

Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Happy Halloween!

Any idea what this high budget, indulgent ,but quite clever,- piece

was shot on?

On 31 Oct 2009, at 04:54, James Culbertson wrote:

> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=9VDvgL58h_ Y

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Re: [FCP-L] Re: OL RED CENTRE PK

I think they are making the mistake of talking too much rather than
concentrate on expanding their research and production capacities and
someone else may beat them. The technology that is now available to
Red is also available to everybody else, including the established
big guys and the new small independent guys.

At 31-10-2009 16:50, oliverpetersvidy wrote:
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>Also info here:
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><http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37011>http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37011
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><http://red.cachefly.net/OctoberPost.jpg>http://red.cachefly.net/OctoberPost.jpg
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>As I expected, it shows that the Scarlet isn't anywhere close to
>ready. Even after being redesigned to compete with the HDSLRs it is
>having to be redesigned yet again. Looks like this release is
>targeting the higher-end users and trade-up RED One owners first.
>
>- Oliver

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[FCP-L] Re: OL RED CENTRE PK

Also info here:

http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37011

and

http://red.cachefly.net/OctoberPost.jpg

As I expected, it shows that the Scarlet isn't anywhere close to ready. Even after being redesigned to compete with the HDSLRs it is having to be redesigned yet again. Looks like this release is targeting the higher-end users and trade-up RED One owners first.

- Oliver

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Re: [FCP-L] Production question: Lights

Sorry. The light is made by made by Mole-Richardson and comes in
three versions: a 650W, 1000W, and 2000W.

You reduce the likelihood of reflections on glasses by lighting from
the side, either with a 650 or 1000w bouncing off a white card, and
another white card on the other side that provides fill.

The Softlight will do the same thing as the 650 or 1000W light. I
have used this setup many times over the years with a high degree of
success.

The use a practical or a backlight (or both) to give your subject a
really nice look.

Lighting is really not my forte' but I have many very good gaffers
and cameramen over the years.

Don't know where you are but if your in the southeast Michigan area
give Charlie Scott a call.

Bill
On Oct 30, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Doug vanderHoof wrote:

>
> On Oct 30, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Bill Affleck wrote:
>
> > rent a 1000w nun for the key, use the foamcore
> > for fill, and work your backlight any way you can. This system, by
> > the way, if positioned correctly, can take all light reflection off
> > glasses.
>
> Bill,
> I give up. I went several pages deep on google for 1000w nun and it
> just got more unlikely. What is that?
>
> Also, how does this setup help keep light out of glasses?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Cordially,
> Doug
>
> Doug vanderHoof
> Chicago
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

Bill Affleck
Wasteland Productions, Inc.

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[FCP-L] OT: After Effects Training

I'm working on a quote that will be for a client in Kansas City, MO. One
of the items they want me to quote is onsite After Effects CS4 training.

Anybody on list know of a qualified AE trainer who would be able to do
onsite training in Kansas City? The client wants a quote for the
training and all expenses.

I've priced myself for three days of onsite FCP7 training for them, but
I'm not qualified for AE.

Brian Conner

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Re: [FCP-L] Happy Halloween!

Good lord, indulgent is the word.

Why in heaven's name would anyone spend that much time and that much money on a one-gag bit that they've protracted into 10 agonizing (and I don't mean that in a good way) minutes?

As it's been well-noted, brevity IS the soul of wit.

David Dodson
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To: FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 1:46:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Happy Halloween!

Any idea what this high budget, indulgent ,but quite clever,- piece
was shot on?
On 31 Oct 2009, at 04:54, James Culbertson wrote:

> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=9VDvgL58h_ Y
>
>

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Re: [FCP-L] Happy Halloween!

Any idea what this high budget, indulgent ,but quite clever,- piece
was shot on?
On 31 Oct 2009, at 04:54, James Culbertson wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VDvgL58h_Y
>
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[FCP-L] OL RED CENTRE PK

Worth a listen as they have talked with Ted Schilowitz about the new
RED announcements, you can subscribe to the PK through iTunes, it's
called REDCentre, or just go to their Websitehttp://www.fxguide.com/
redcentre Its audio only and will even stream on your iPhone.

Ian Wilson
Colortape Productions
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Re: [FCP-L] Cannot "Media Manage" a subclip?

a clarification:

if you trim the TAIL of a clip, you will get one frame back on the tail.

On 31/10/2009, at 3:58 PM, Nick Meyers wrote:

> there are few tricks to Media Manage contiguous sub clips.
>
> 1. make them dis-contiguous.
> in my (PAL) experience, this means removing TWO frames from between
> the clips.
> you will get one back on the M'd file, but the gap in FCP has to be
> two frames.
>
> 2. Checkerboard the clips in a timeline, and do two passes of Media
> Management
>
> 3. Don't Media Manage at all, use the BATCH EXPORT.
> you will lose logging notes and markers, if any.
>
> nick
>
> On 31/10/2009, at 6:54 AM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
>
> > Yes, there is a reel name, but that's really useful to know, thanks.
> >
> > This is not a new frustration. I've tried this before with other
> > material and eventually just given. In fact, I've carefully followed
> > Apple's step by step instructions for breaking down long clips by
> > subclipping (in the manual) and discovered that unless there is a
> > solid gap of unused media between two subclips, Media Manager will
> not
> > throw anything away.
> >
> > But know that I think of that, I was able to make that work before
> > with some kind of trick. Hmmm? Maybe I need to go find those old
> > notes.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > tod
> >
> > On Oct 30, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Shane Ross wrote:
> >
> > > Does this said clip have a REEL name associated with it? MM
> doesn't
> > > do squat unless there is a reel name.
> > >
> > > -shane.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Tod Hopkins
> > Hillmann & Carr Inc.
> > todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
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[FCP-L] Re: Apple HDV Codec Field Order?

>It is my understanding through bleery eyes that there is no PC QT codec for the Apple HDV, can someone confirm this?

There is no free one John (not that Im aware of) but you can get Calibrated Software's XD Decode quicktime component for windows which allows you to use all the codecs in Apple's own HDV codec component bundle.
http://www.calibratedsoftware.com/QXD.asp

>Is the Apple HDV codec really lower field normally or is my need for conversion causing a field order swap?

No, HDV is an upper field codec.

>Assuming the Sebsky tools conversion was done correctly will the source time code reflected in the Avid timeline be an accurate to the original field tapes?

Yes, should be.

>If so then I'm thinking it will be quicker to recapture of tape than have to
import the entire QT clips. Plus relinking the QT media seems to be problematic
due to the typical Avid imported media issues when trying to relink or
reconnect.

To my recollection that always used to be the way FCP to Avid was handled as the source media never used to be compatible.

>Lastly could anyone speculate on what video level differences I might expect if we do recapture off tape. I can only imagine that the trip through QT import will yield different levels that a capture SDI off tape. Hopefully that will be small sense I've already color corrected the show with the imported media.

Unless there is something seriously wrong with your capture equipment then the capture via SDI should not mess with your levels. That said, you can always capture some test footage to compare.

Best
Andy

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