Tuesday, October 20, 2009

[FCP-L] Canon SLR for Video?

 

Hi guys, first time writing here. I'm have been in video production for sometime now but have been out of the loop on the technology. I recently ran across a fellow using his SLR for video and was really impressed with the quality. I am wondering if I may get some direction from the more experienced folk here?

Currently I would like to upgrade my entire system, as I am getting older the 25lbs steadicam is getting to be a little too much with my old Canon XL2 (Completely loaded, matte box etc)

I still use the old PowerMac Dual 5G. I recently wanted to upgrade my FCP and was told I couldn't due to the Intel chip not present.

I would like to go in the direction of a decent SLR (I shoot mostly 24fps), if I can keep using my existing Mac at the present (at least for a little while), then that would help, if I have to upgrade then so be it.

Here is my questions:

- What is the best (reasonable) SLR to obtain for Video
- How do I store footage? Portable HD?
- Is there a complete shoulder rail system?
- What about audio? Would I need an external mixer? I do use Lavs
- Finally, what or can I use FCP to edit the video with whatever Codec is available with these new cameras?

My biggest worry is not being able to edit HDV on my current Mac setup.

Thank you in Advance
Aaron

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Re: [FCP-L] Fundraising for Obama Documentary!

 

Boy, is this group nasty when they turn. Give her a break.

Ian Wilson
Colortape Productions
Ian@colortape.tv
0418 327 082
Via iPhone

On 21/10/2009, at 1:08 PM, "Bob Zelin" <maxavid@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

> How dare you Allan. All you think about is money. Melissa is
> trying to change the world.
> She is not interested in money, or advancing her career, or getting
> any recognition for herself.
> All she wants to do is promote the cause. She had boldly used her
> parents hard earned money to
> send herself thru film school, to make a wonderful documentary,
> about our changing times - where professional
> cameramen, editors, color correctors, duplicators, and broadcasters
> should not think about their own profit and benefit,
> but what is for the good of the people - and the common goal. This
> is the very reason that AVID, Apple, and Sony exist -
> to benefit man kind. And don't fool yourself Allan - Melissa wants
> nothing more than to make a world class documentary,
> and simply fade into obscurity, knowing that she has helped mankind,
> and the change for the better, while she humbily eats
> her bowl of rice, and glass of water. Money is not her objective,
> neither is fame, so hand over your money, you filthy capitalist !
> Power to the people - and God Bless FCP-L. !
>
> Bob Zelin
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Allan Smith
> To: FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Fundraising for Obama Documentary!
>
>
> This is not the Venue for this kind of post. Besides it should be
> call his
> first year in office from Capitalism to communism. What a disgrace,
> But I
> digress, sorry!
>
> On 10/20/09 5:36 PM, "multo@multo.com" <multo@multo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I am raising funds for my documentary, From 0 to 90 - Obama's First
>> 90
>> Days, through a couple of crowdsourcing sites:
>>
>> Kickstarter:
>> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/multo/from-0-to-90-obamas-first-90-days-do
>> cumentary
>>
>> IndieGoGo:
>> http://www.indiegogo.com/From-0-To-90-Obama%27s-First-90-Days
>>
>> This will be an interesting test of both sites and their ability to
>> push
>> donors to my project. I¹d love to be able to pay my editor and pay
>> for my
>> time directing/writing. There¹s the composing, the sound mix, the
>> marketing and PR, and the submission fees for film festivals.
>> Posters,
>> postcards, DVDs, hotel rooms and flights, if I¹m lucky to be invit
>> ed to
>> any festivals. Websites and online social networking campaigns all
>> these things either require time (mine) or money (for other people
>> ¹s time
>> and materials).
>>
>> So here¹s to funding a very grassroots documentary about the first
>> 90 days
>> of Obama¹s presidency! If anyone has any distribution or broadcaster
>> contacts who might be interested in this documentary, please let me
>> know
>> at multo@multo.com <mailto:multo%40multo.com> !
>>
>> Peace,
>> Melissa
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Re: [FCP-L] Fundraising for Obama Documentary!

 

Mark,
So true and not sure what she was thinking. We did offer her constructive
ideas in a friendly fashion, and in fact Bob offered her to get her a
million dollars, but alas you can bring a horse to water, but....
Best,
Allan

On 10/20/09 8:14 PM, "Mark" <markraudonis@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> I voted for the guy and still this post PISSES ME OFF!
>
> This has to take the award for most inappropriate post of the year!
>
> Jim,
>
> Why don't you just delete this thread. No good is going to come of it.
>
> Mark
>
> --- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FinalCutPro-L%40yahoogroups.com>
> , "Bob Zelin" <maxavid@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Melissa,
>> > you are in luck. I have a source for Indian, Chinese and African labor
>> that will work for
>> > almost free for your project. Screw those white American bastard prima
>> donna editors.
>> > And I can get you millions in funding - just send me your checking account
>> number, and your
>> > social security number, and I will have millions deposited into your
>> account, so you can make a
>> > great documentary.
>> >
>> > God Bless Barak Obama, and God Bless you Melissa !
>> >
>> > Bob Zelin
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: multo@...
>> > To: finalcutpro-l@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:finalcutpro-l%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:36 PM
>> > Subject: [FCP-L] Fundraising for Obama Documentary!
>> >
>> >
>> > I am raising funds for my documentary, From 0 to 90 - Obama's First 90
>> > Days, through a couple of crowdsourcing sites:
>> >
>> > Kickstarter:
>> >
>> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/multo/from-0-to-90-obamas-first-90-days-d
>> ocumentary
>> >
>> > IndieGoGo:
>> > http://www.indiegogo.com/From-0-To-90-Obama%27s-First-90-Days
>> >
>> > This will be an interesting test of both sites and their ability to push
>> > donors to my project. I'd love to be able to pay my editor and pay for my
>> > time directing/writing. There's the composing, the sound mix, the
>> > marketing and PR, and the submission fees for film festivals. Posters,
>> > postcards, DVDs, hotel rooms and flights, if I'm lucky to be invited to
>> > any festivals. Websites and online social networking campaigns - all
>> > these things either require time (mine) or money (for other people's time
>> > and materials).
>> >
>> > So here's to funding a very grassroots documentary about the first 90
>> days
>> > of Obama's presidency! If anyone has any distribution or broadcaster
>> > contacts who might be interested in this documentary, please let me know
>> > at multo@...!
>> >
>> > Peace,
>> > Melissa
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>
>
>
>
>>

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Re: [FCP-L] Fundraising for Obama Documentary!

 

I voted for the guy and still this post PISSES ME OFF!

This has to take the award for most inappropriate post of the year!

Jim,

Why don't you just delete this thread. No good is going to come of it.

Mark

--- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Zelin" <maxavid@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Melissa,
> you are in luck. I have a source for Indian, Chinese and African labor that will work for
> almost free for your project. Screw those white American bastard prima donna editors.
> And I can get you millions in funding - just send me your checking account number, and your
> social security number, and I will have millions deposited into your account, so you can make a
> great documentary.
>
> God Bless Barak Obama, and God Bless you Melissa !
>
> Bob Zelin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: multo@...
> To: finalcutpro-l@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:36 PM
> Subject: [FCP-L] Fundraising for Obama Documentary!
>
>
> I am raising funds for my documentary, From 0 to 90 - Obama's First 90
> Days, through a couple of crowdsourcing sites:
>
> Kickstarter:
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/multo/from-0-to-90-obamas-first-90-days-documentary
>
> IndieGoGo:
> http://www.indiegogo.com/From-0-To-90-Obama%27s-First-90-Days
>
> This will be an interesting test of both sites and their ability to push
> donors to my project. I'd love to be able to pay my editor and pay for my
> time directing/writing. There's the composing, the sound mix, the
> marketing and PR, and the submission fees for film festivals. Posters,
> postcards, DVDs, hotel rooms and flights, if I'm lucky to be invited to
> any festivals. Websites and online social networking campaigns - all
> these things either require time (mine) or money (for other people's time
> and materials).
>
> So here's to funding a very grassroots documentary about the first 90 days
> of Obama's presidency! If anyone has any distribution or broadcaster
> contacts who might be interested in this documentary, please let me know
> at multo@...!
>
> Peace,
> Melissa
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: [FCP-L] Fundraising for Obama Documentary!

 

The end of what?

I'm only 4 videos into 7 of this project. I'm trying to get them done before the subject of them dies, which he a week and a half ago. Gotta love red tape for approvals. Client says 'We would really like to get the first couple of these done before he dies. We'd like to show these to him'. Meanwhile the approval copies sat in 6 peoples inbox for 3 weeks.

Rick Emery
www.rickemery.com

________________________________
From: Bob Zelin <maxavid@cfl.rr.com>
To: FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 10:34:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Fundraising for Obama Documentary!

same old Bob, with the "button" in his hands !

Repent - the end is near !

Bob Zelin
(and Allen, how come you don't have 10 kids - be fruitful and multiply).

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick
To: FinalCutPro- L@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Fundraising for Obama Documentary!

I'm scared of the new sarcastic Bob. Isn't this sign 184,098 of the pending Apocalypse?

Rick Emery
www.rickemery. com

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Bob Zelin <maxavid@cfl. rr.com>
To: FinalCutPro- L@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 10:08:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Fundraising for Obama Documentary!

How dare you Allan. All you think about is money. Melissa is trying to change the world.
She is not interested in money, or advancing her career, or getting any recognition for herself.
All she wants to do is promote the cause. She had boldly used her parents hard earned money to
send herself thru film school, to make a wonderful documentary, about our changing times - where professional
cameramen, editors, color correctors, duplicators, and broadcasters should not think about their own profit and benefit,
but what is for the good of the people - and the common goal. This is the very reason that AVID, Apple, and Sony exist -
to benefit man kind. And don't fool yourself Allan - Melissa wants nothing more than to make a world class documentary,
and simply fade into obscurity, knowing that she has helped mankind, and the change for the better, while she humbily eats
her bowl of rice, and glass of water. Money is not her objective, neither is fame, so hand over your money, you filthy capitalist !
Power to the people - and God Bless FCP-L. !

Bob Zelin

----- Original Message -----
From: Allan Smith
To: FinalCutPro- L@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Fundraising for Obama Documentary!

This is not the Venue for this kind of post. Besides it should be call his
first year in office from Capitalism to communism. What a disgrace, But I
digress, sorry!

On 10/20/09 5:36 PM, "multo@multo. com" <multo@multo. com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> I am raising funds for my documentary, From 0 to 90 - Obama's First 90
> Days, through a couple of crowdsourcing sites:
>
> Kickstarter:
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/multo/from-0-to-90-obamas-first-90-days-do
> cumentary
>
> IndieGoGo:
> http://www.indiegogo.com/From-0-To-90-Obama%27s-First-90-Days
>
> This will be an interesting test of both sites and their ability to push
> donors to my project. I¹d love to be able to pay my editor and pay for my
> time directing/writing. There¹s the composing, the sound mix, the
> marketing and PR, and the submission fees for film festivals. Posters,
> postcards, DVDs, hotel rooms and flights, if I¹m lucky to be invited to
> any festivals. Websites and online social networking campaigns ­ all
> these things either require time (mine) or money (for other people¹s time
> and materials).
>
> So here¹s to funding a very grassroots documentary about the first 90 days
> of Obama¹s presidency! If anyone has any distribution or broadcaster
> contacts who might be interested in this documentary, please let me know
> at multo@multo. com <mailto:multo% 40multo.com> !
>
> Peace,
> Melissa
>
>
>
>
>>

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Re: [FCP-L] Compressor wont open

 

have you tried "Compressor Repair"?
<http://www.digitalrebellion.com/compressor_repair.htm>

nick

On 21/10/2009, at 10:38 AM, Lou Wirth wrote:

> tried this but no go. Am deleting prefs now.
> thanks
> On Oct 20, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Andy Edwards wrote:
>
> > Taig: Thanks for reminder on the reset..... forgot to ad that as
> well.
> >
> > The number I'm referring to is when you stop sharing, it asks for
> how
> > many minutes until the service is turned off. I think ours defaulted
> > to 5 or something, so I change it to zero to make it happen
> > immediately.
> >
> > Andy Edwards
> >
> >
> > On Oct 20, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Taig McNab wrote:
> >
> >> Andy: What number are you changing to zero?
> >> Lou: Its worth resetting too at this point just to be on the safe
> >> side
> >> - When stopped, hold the option/Alt key down and the Start/Stop
> >> button
> >> changes to a reset button. Reset before starting back up.
> >> Best
> >> Taig
> >>
> >> On 20 Oct 2009, at 23:54, Andy Edwards wrote:
> >>
> >>> Go into system preferences, under "other" bottom let is Q Master.
> >>> Unlock it if it is locked. Stop Sharing. Change number to zero to
> >>> stop it immediately. Restart sharing.
> >>>
> >>> Do check your activity monitor and see if anything related to
> >>> compressor is red in the process name field. If it is, quit the
> >>> process. make sure nothing else is running in the background.
> >>>
> >>> Couple other things to try:
> >>> http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1888
> >>>
> >>> http://mac.softpedia.com/get/System-Utilities/Compressor-
> >> Repair.shtml
> >>>
> >>> Andy Edwards
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 20, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Lou Wirth wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> FCS 2. How do I stop and restart Qmaster?
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 20, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Andy Edwards wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> What version?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Check your activity monitor.
> >>>>> Stop and Restart Qmaster.
> >>>>> Trash Compressor prefs.......you will lose all your custom
> >>> settings.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Andy Edwards
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Oct 20, 2009, at 2:20 PM, Lou Wirth wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Today. Compressor refuses to open. Never had a problem
> >> before. I
> >>>>>> get "Compressor Quit unexpectedly" error. It was fine
> >>> yesterday. No
> >>>>>> changes to system. Anybody have this happen?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> thanks
> >>>>>> Lou
> >>>>>> Lou Wirth Productions
> >>>>>> 500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
> >>>>>> Corte Madera, CA 94925
> >>>>>> www.louwirth.com
> >>>>>> 415-924-9411p.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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> www.louwirth.com
> 415-924-9411p
>
>
>

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Re: [FCP-L] Fundraising for Obama Documentary!

 

same old Bob, with the "button" in his hands !

Repent - the end is near !

Bob Zelin
(and Allen, how come you don't have 10 kids - be fruitful and multiply).

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick
To: FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Fundraising for Obama Documentary!

I'm scared of the new sarcastic Bob. Isn't this sign 184,098 of the pending Apocalypse?

Rick Emery
www.rickemery.com

________________________________
From: Bob Zelin <maxavid@cfl.rr.com>
To: FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 10:08:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Fundraising for Obama Documentary!

How dare you Allan. All you think about is money. Melissa is trying to change the world.
She is not interested in money, or advancing her career, or getting any recognition for herself.
All she wants to do is promote the cause. She had boldly used her parents hard earned money to
send herself thru film school, to make a wonderful documentary, about our changing times - where professional
cameramen, editors, color correctors, duplicators, and broadcasters should not think about their own profit and benefit,
but what is for the good of the people - and the common goal. This is the very reason that AVID, Apple, and Sony exist -
to benefit man kind. And don't fool yourself Allan - Melissa wants nothing more than to make a world class documentary,
and simply fade into obscurity, knowing that she has helped mankind, and the change for the better, while she humbily eats
her bowl of rice, and glass of water. Money is not her objective, neither is fame, so hand over your money, you filthy capitalist !
Power to the people - and God Bless FCP-L. !

Bob Zelin

----- Original Message -----
From: Allan Smith
To: FinalCutPro- L@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Fundraising for Obama Documentary!

This is not the Venue for this kind of post. Besides it should be call his
first year in office from Capitalism to communism. What a disgrace, But I
digress, sorry!

On 10/20/09 5:36 PM, "multo@multo. com" <multo@multo. com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> I am raising funds for my documentary, From 0 to 90 - Obama's First 90
> Days, through a couple of crowdsourcing sites:
>
> Kickstarter:
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/multo/from-0-to-90-obamas-first-90-days-do
> cumentary
>
> IndieGoGo:
> http://www.indiegogo.com/From-0-To-90-Obama%27s-First-90-Days
>
> This will be an interesting test of both sites and their ability to push
> donors to my project. I¹d love to be able to pay my editor and pay for my
> time directing/writing. There¹s the composing, the sound mix, the
> marketing and PR, and the submission fees for film festivals. Posters,
> postcards, DVDs, hotel rooms and flights, if I¹m lucky to be invited to
> any festivals. Websites and online social networking campaigns ­ all
> these things either require time (mine) or money (for other people¹s time
> and materials).
>
> So here¹s to funding a very grassroots documentary about the first 90 days
> of Obama¹s presidency! If anyone has any distribution or broadcaster
> contacts who might be interested in this documentary, please let me know
> at multo@multo. com <mailto:multo% 40multo.com> !
>
> Peace,
> Melissa
>
>
>
>
>>

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RE: [FCP-L] Fundraising for Obama Documentary!

 

Melissa's post was obviously inappropriate for this forum, but that said, you boys are clearly more gifted as editors than as rhetoricians.

;-P

apk

________________________________________
From: FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com [FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allan Smith [Allan@dreamquest.tv]
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:27 PM
To: FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Fundraising for Obama Documentary!

Bob, Oh you are so right and I humbly hold my head down as I have a job and
two kids and yet there are those with no job and have 10 kids and sitting on
their porch waiting for their 50% of my paycheck. I should have joined the
Mormon church and I could have contributed, but Alas we have our dictator,
oops, preacher, oops, president and we must conform to the ways of
³Change².. What was I possible thinking, lol...

On 10/20/09 7:08 PM, "Bob Zelin" <maxavid@cfl.rr.com<mailto:maxavid%40cfl.rr.com>> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> How dare you Allan. All you think about is money. Melissa is trying to
> change the world.
> She is not interested in money, or advancing her career, or getting any
> recognition for herself.
> All she wants to do is promote the cause. She had boldly used her parents
> hard earned money to
> send herself thru film school, to make a wonderful documentary, about our
> changing times - where professional
> cameramen, editors, color correctors, duplicators, and broadcasters should not
> think about their own profit and benefit,
> but what is for the good of the people - and the common goal. This is the
> very reason that AVID, Apple, and Sony exist -
> to benefit man kind. And don't fool yourself Allan - Melissa wants nothing
> more than to make a world class documentary,
> and simply fade into obscurity, knowing that she has helped mankind, and the
> change for the better, while she humbily eats
> her bowl of rice, and glass of water. Money is not her objective, neither is
> fame, so hand over your money, you filthy capitalist !
> Power to the people - and God Bless FCP-L. !
>
> Bob Zelin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Allan Smith
> To: FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com<mailto:FinalCutPro-L%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:FinalCutPro-L%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Fundraising for Obama Documentary!
>
> This is not the Venue for this kind of post. Besides it should be call his
> first year in office from Capitalism to communism. What a disgrace, But I
> digress, sorry!
>
> On 10/20/09 5:36 PM, "multo@multo.com<mailto:multo%40multo.com> <mailto:multo%40multo.com> "
> <multo@multo.com<mailto:multo%40multo.com> <mailto:multo%40multo.com> > wrote:
>
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>> >
>> >
>> > I am raising funds for my documentary, From 0 to 90 - Obama's First 90
>> > Days, through a couple of crowdsourcing sites:
>> >
>> > Kickstarter:
>> >
>>
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/multo/from-0-to-90-obamas-first-90-days-do
>> > cumentary
>> >
>> > IndieGoGo:
>> > http://www.indiegogo.com/From-0-To-90-Obama%27s-First-90-Days
>> >
>> > This will be an interesting test of both sites and their ability to push
>> > donors to my project. I¹d love to be able to pay my editor and pay for my
>> > time directing/writing. There¹s the composing, the sound mix, the
>> > marketing and PR, and the submission fees for film festivals. Posters,
>> > postcards, DVDs, hotel rooms and flights, if I¹m lucky to be invited to
>> > any festivals. Websites and online social networking campaigns ­ all
>> > these things either require time (mine) or money (for other people¹s time
>> > and materials).
>> >
>> > So here¹s to funding a very grassroots documentary about the first 90 days
>> > of Obama¹s presidency! If anyone has any distribution or broadcaster
>> > contacts who might be interested in this documentary, please let me know
>> > at multo@multo.com<mailto:multo%40multo.com> <mailto:multo%40multo.com> <mailto:multo%40multo.com>
!
>> >
>> > Peace,
>> > Melissa
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>> >>
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