Hey that's a fun little article. Yeah 3/4 inch never did this but It's color under 4 to 1 chroma down sampling was not great. When it was all we had it sure looked good. I especially love that MII didn't do this. Doesn't matter cause MII was almost impossible to edit with in it's day. NBC adopted it and then had to dub all MII to 1 inch to edit then dub back to MII for air. An entire network commited to a format that was just a hair above vhs technology. At least Panasonic did a good job of making D3 work just like D2 right down to the control panel on certain models. Since one of my series was new families with babies a little motion artifacting on the diaper changing scenes was actually more pleasing. ;-)
--- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Shane Ross <comeback@...> wrote:
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> I'm talking about the microblocking. The HDV GOP artifacting. THis:
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> http://lfhd.net/2009/03/26/hdv-pixelization/
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> -shane
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> On Oct 23, 2009, at 3:00 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:
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> > Perhaps I'm focusing more on Macroblock errors and not thinking in
> > terms of motion artifacts. I can see how that would be exaggerated
> > by 15 or 8 fps look. I think the series I worked on was shot 30P
> > which would be more forgiving. I hadn't realized the cameras had 8
> > or 15 fps looks. Is that a menu setting or some sort of shutter
> > trick. I haven't spent in quality time behind a lens since an HL-79
> > so I'm interested in what games the camera dudes are doing these days.
> >
> > --- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Shane Ross <comeback@> wrote:
> > >
> > > No...what it is attributed to is the fact that they are shooting
> > with
> > > a 15fps and 8fps "look." They are adjusting the shutter to give a
> > > very unique look to the footage, semi-film like, but with the low
> > > shutter that means actions create great looking motion blurs.
> > > Unfortunately, this increases the possibility of artifacting 10
> > fold.
> > > Yeah, they know about it, but they won't change the style. But we
> > > also have another series that doesn't do that, and I swear, every
> > time
> > > there is a quick pan or zoom...BOOM, artifact.
> > >
> > > And Discovery accepts this.
> > >
> > > It is on the tape that way. Not an issue with FCP (which we edit
> > > with). And yes, we capture as ProRes via HD SDI and Kona LHe cards.
> > >
> > > -shane
> > >
> > > > Wow that has not been my experience at all. Could this point to a
> > > > particular camera and or source deck. I've cut several shows for
> > > > discover ID and many had lots of HDV and delivered on HDCamSR. I
> > > > haven't suffered anything like that. I'm working on Avid not that
> > > > that should make a difference on drop out/hits. Are your HDV
> > sources
> > > > being captured of HDSDI? If your working with native HDV that is
> > > > different from my workflow which involves HDSDI to Avid DNX 145.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Shane Ross <comeback@>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I deliver two shows a week to Discovery (Investigation
> > Discovery)
> > > > that
> > > > > are shot on HDV. I get a hit every 2 seconds on our recreations.
> > > > > Interviews, with NO movement, fine. But recreations are off the
> > > > > charts. They TOO go through the Discovery QC... but they
> > "forgive"
> > > > > these HDV artifacts, as they know there is nothing to be done.
> > > > >
> > > > > Odd, they never "forgave" beta hits. Always had to spend
> > thousands
> > > > or
> > > > > hundreds fixing those.
> > > > >
> > > > > We output to HDCAM SR.
> > > > >
> > > > > -shane
> > > > >
> > > > > On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:02 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Wow I did 60 half hour episodes on HDV a couple years ago
> > and I
> > > > > > didn't have but two or 3 tape hits for the entire season. I
> > was
> > > > > > quite surprised and happy. These shows went through Discovery
> > > > level
> > > > > > QC so they had to be technically correct. I was using the
> > HVR-1500
> > > > > > which is the only deck to use for HDV unless you are dealing
> > with
> > > > > > the newer native progressive stuff. I guess the offline guys
> > might
> > > > > > have avoided shots with drop outs but that's usually not the
> > case
> > > > > > these days. I get shots all the time that are just plain wrong
> > > > with
> > > > > > iris shifts etc... that should have never been used so I doubt
> > > > that
> > > > > > series was any different. I was more surprised than anyone
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > format worked so painlessly. I'm not debating image quality
> > here
> > > > > > just technical drop outs etc... It beat the heck out of
> > fixing all
> > > > > > the long interval drop outs from BetaSP from my experience.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Shane Ross <comeback@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yeah, well, acceptable by some networks. Which is bad
> > because
> > > > the
> > > > > > hits
> > > > > > > I see on GDV put hits on betasp tapes to shame. I have been
> > > > forced
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > work with it for nearly a year. Even converted to prores
> > doesn't
> > > > > > help.
> > > > > > > The damage has already been done.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Shane
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Scent frum my iFone.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > On Oct 22, 2009, at 5:23:14 AM, Pat wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > HDV is suitable for acquisition
> > > > > > > > That's debatable. Crappy format if ever there was one. :-(
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Terence Curren
> > > > > > > > Burbank, CA
> > > > > > > > www.alphadogs.tv
> > > > > > > > www.digitalservicestation.com
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