FCP-L: Nov 12, 2009

Thursday, November 12, 2009

Re: [FCP-L] Cheap SD tapeless FCP compatible videocam?

Which you still need to convert before you edit. Sorry, but you'll
have to convert just about every tapeless format before editing.
Except for the new JVC, but that is both not cheap and not SD.

Shane

Scent frum my iFone.

On Nov 12, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Rick <a_pmb_fan@yahoo.com> wrote:

> As far as I know there are none that are cheap, tapeless and SD
> unless you get a $150.00 Flip Mino.
> Rick Emery
> www.rickemery.com
>
> ________________________________
> From: James Culbertson <albion@speakeasy.net>
> To: FCP-L <FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 9:08:01 PM
> Subject: [FCP-L] Cheap SD tapeless FCP compatible videocam?
>
>
> I'm on the board of the local Vashon Island Public Access station, and
> we are trying to find cheap standard definition tapeless FCP
> compatible cameras. The cheaper the better since they will be loaned
> out to the general public.
>
> Most of the cameras we have looked at so far are some form of
> partially compatible muxed MPEG2 that we can convert to full QT
> compatibility with MPEG StreamClip, but would rather avoid the extra
> step if possible.
>
> Do any of these record to some form of SD QT compatible file?
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Re: [FCP-L] Murch "back on Avid" for at least one film...

I will too! But I'm more of am opening act.

Shane

Scent frum my iFone.

On Nov 12, 2009, at 6:58 PM, Jim Feeley <jfeeley@gmail.com> wrote:

> If you care, he'll be talking about that next Weds in LA:
>
> ====
> 9:00PM - 9:50PM - "What's it like going from Avid to FCP and back to
> Avid?"
> - Walter Murch
>
> legendary film and sound editor Walter Murch returns to lafcpug to
> discuss
> "what is it like going from the Avid to FCP and back to the Avid."
> Walter
> has been editing with Final Cut Pro for several years after having
> used the
> Avid for several years. And now he is back on the Avid editing a
> movie here
> in Los Angeles. Mr. Murch will bring along his assistant editors Greg
> Thompson and Dave Cory for an assistant editor POV. There will be
> plenty of
> time for questions and discussion.
> ====
>
> More info here:
>
> http://www.lafcpug.org/user_schedule.html
>
> Jim
>
>

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[FCP-L] Murch "back on Avid" for at least one film...

If you care, he'll be talking about that next Weds in LA:

====
9:00PM - 9:50PM - "What's it like going from Avid to FCP and back to Avid?"
- Walter Murch

legendary film and sound editor Walter Murch returns to lafcpug to discuss
"what is it like going from the Avid to FCP and back to the Avid." Walter
has been editing with Final Cut Pro for several years after having used the
Avid for several years. And now he is back on the Avid editing a movie here
in Los Angeles. Mr. Murch will bring along his assistant editors Greg
Thompson and Dave Cory for an assistant editor POV. There will be plenty of
time for questions and discussion.
====

More info here:

http://www.lafcpug.org/user_schedule.html

Jim

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Re: [FCP-L] Cheap SD tapeless FCP compatible videocam?

As far as I know there are none that are cheap, tapeless and SD unless you get a $150.00 Flip Mino.
Rick Emery
www.rickemery.com

________________________________
From: James Culbertson <albion@speakeasy.net>
To: FCP-L <FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 9:08:01 PM
Subject: [FCP-L] Cheap SD tapeless FCP compatible videocam?

I'm on the board of the local Vashon Island Public Access station, and
we are trying to find cheap standard definition tapeless FCP
compatible cameras. The cheaper the better since they will be loaned
out to the general public.

Most of the cameras we have looked at so far are some form of
partially compatible muxed MPEG2 that we can convert to full QT
compatibility with MPEG StreamClip, but would rather avoid the extra
step if possible.

Do any of these record to some form of SD QT compatible file?

Thanks,

James

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[FCP-L] Cheap SD tapeless FCP compatible videocam?

Do any of these record to some form of SD QT compatible file?

Thanks,

James

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Re: [FCP-L] Rant: Presumptive Clients

You may be making some preventable mistake in getting clients. Though
in this economy, one takes what one gets, of course.
Dv
On Nov 12, 2009, at 6:27 PM, John Kilgour wrote:

> Most clients are Pricks
>
> whoops, did I type that?

Cordially,
Doug

Doug vanderHoof
GGNA member, director
ZAPC member, secretary

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Re: [FCP-L] Rant: Presumptive Clients

I was commenting of Steve's statement not your online. I know he's got a Symphony meridian which had safe colors which took the place of a legalizer to a large degree.

--- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Rick <a_pmb_fan@...> wrote:
>
> Nope that show was offlined on XpressHD and onlined on a DS. There are color limiters, but they don't do anything with gammut. At least in v7.6 which I wasÂ usingÂ for Conform, CC, audio mix and effects.
> Â Rick Emery
> www.rickemery.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: johnrobmoore <bigfish@...>
> To: FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 5:51:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Rant: Presumptive Clients
>
> Â
> And I'll be you used Safe Colors on your Symphony, which is more or less a legalizer.
>
> --- In FinalCutPro- L@yahoogroups. com, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > I've delivered numerous projects to PBS - long and short form - and
> > have never gone through a legalizer and have never gotten kicked back.
> > Knock on wood. But never without external scopes. But also never HD.
> >
> >
> > On Nov 12, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Rick wrote:
> >
> > > My experience with HD deliveries to PBS, is that if it isn't run
> > > through a legalizer, good luck getting it past QC unless you suck
> > > all the chroma out of it.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: [FCP-L] Rant: Presumptive Clients

Nope that show was offlined on XpressHD and onlined on a DS. There are color limiters, but they don't do anything with gammut. At least in v7.6 which I was using for Conform, CC, audio mix and effects.
Rick Emery
www.rickemery.com

________________________________
From: johnrobmoore <bigfish@pacbell.net>
To: FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 5:51:58 PM
Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Rant: Presumptive Clients

And I'll be you used Safe Colors on your Symphony, which is more or less a legalizer.

--- In FinalCutPro- L@yahoogroups. com, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@ ...> wrote:
>
> I've delivered numerous projects to PBS - long and short form - and
> have never gone through a legalizer and have never gotten kicked back.
> Knock on wood. But never without external scopes. But also never HD.
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Rick wrote:
>
> > My experience with HD deliveries to PBS, is that if it isn't run
> > through a legalizer, good luck getting it past QC unless you suck
> > all the chroma out of it.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: [FCP-L] Rant: Presumptive Clients

Most clients are Pricks

whoops, did I type that?

On Nov 12, 2009, at 7:04 PM, Bob Zelin wrote:

> Hey, this must be my client too !
>
> Bob Zelin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick
> To: FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 10:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Rant: Presumptive Clients
>
> My limited experince with PBS and HD was a season of Chefs A Field (http://www.chefsafield.com
> ). The hack owner of the company I worked for wouldn't pay an extra
> $35 per episode to have them run through a legalizer while the HD
> captioning was being done. The first 6 shows failed QC, due to gamut
> errors. Yes, we were using SD scopes on an HD system and monitoring
> the downconvert. After he assured the clients that it was all my
> fault (in front of me), he spent $6000 on an HD legalizer. All
> thirteen episodes passed after that. So instead of spending $455 on
> having 13 episodes legalized during the HD captioning dub, he spent
> $6000 on a box that hasn't been used since. Did I mention he is a
> prick and an idiot all rolled up into one?
> Rick Emery
> www.rickemery.com
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@veralith.com>
> To: FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 10:01:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Rant: Presumptive Clients
>
> I've delivered numerous projects to PBS - long and short form - and
> have never gone through a legalizer and have never gotten kicked back.
> Knock on wood. But never without external scopes. But also never HD.
>
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Rick wrote:
>
> > My experience with HD deliveries to PBS, is that if it isn't run
> > through a legalizer, good luck getting it past QC unless you suck
> > all the chroma out of it.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Re: [FCP-L] Rant: Presumptive Clients

Hey, this must be my client too !

Bob Zelin

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick
To: FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Rant: Presumptive Clients

My limited experince with PBS and HD was a season of Chefs A Field (http://www.chefsafield.com). The hack owner of the company I worked for wouldn't pay an extra $35 per episode to have them run through a legalizer while the HD captioning was being done. The first 6 shows failed QC, due to gamut errors. Yes, we were using SD scopes on an HD system and monitoring the downconvert. After he assured the clients that it was all my fault (in front of me), he spent $6000 on an HD legalizer. All thirteen episodes passed after that. So instead of spending $455 on having 13 episodes legalized during the HD captioning dub, he spent $6000 on a box that hasn't been used since. Did I mention he is a prick and an idiot all rolled up into one?
Rick Emery
www.rickemery.com

________________________________
From: Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@veralith.com>
To: FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 10:01:08 AM
Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Rant: Presumptive Clients

I've delivered numerous projects to PBS - long and short form - and
have never gone through a legalizer and have never gotten kicked back.
Knock on wood. But never without external scopes. But also never HD.

On Nov 12, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Rick wrote:

> My experience with HD deliveries to PBS, is that if it isn't run
> through a legalizer, good luck getting it past QC unless you suck
> all the chroma out of it.

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Re: [FCP-L] Rant: Presumptive Clients

I know it's the wrong list but I never had a legalizer until Avid dropped safe colors. Given the QC monkeys need to justify their existence I always insist on some legalizer. It only takes one kick back to pretty much pay for a good Videotek unit.

I can even monitor my Avid output which is error free and then monitor the HDCam Rec master and get errors from deck output. These errors are less if recording to HDCamSR so the Tek scope is picking up on issues with the record format. I've seen this in more than one facility and more than one SR-5500. I've conferred with Tek and Sony but never got a complete answer. In order to QC log with the tek on a tape output I have to tune down the scope sensitivity, as per Tek's recommendation. Gee Steve how hard is it to go back and insert bars without safe color on. To bad it doesn't toggle that's another beauty of the Videotek unit.

--- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@...> wrote:
>
> Heresy! No I don't use Safe Colors on my Symphony. Isn't that the
> little "Beware of Slow Moving Tractor" button? (Maybe you have to live
> in the Midwest or some agrarian area to get that joke...and edit on
> Avid)
>
> Actually I would use it more if you didn't have to lay down bars
> separately or first or whatever. For those that don't know, SMPTE bars
> are illegal themselves.
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 4:51 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:
>
> > And I'll be you used Safe Colors on your Symphony, which is more or
> > less a legalizer.
> >
> > --- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hullfish
> > <steve4lists@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I've delivered numerous projects to PBS - long and short form - and
> > > have never gone through a legalizer and have never gotten kicked
> > back.
> > > Knock on wood. But never without external scopes. But also never HD.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 12, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Rick wrote:
> > >
> > > > My experience with HD deliveries to PBS, is that if it isn't run
> > > > through a legalizer, good luck getting it past QC unless you suck
> > > > all the chroma out of it.
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: [FCP-L] Rant: Presumptive Clients

Heresy! No I don't use Safe Colors on my Symphony. Isn't that the
little "Beware of Slow Moving Tractor" button? (Maybe you have to live
in the Midwest or some agrarian area to get that joke...and edit on
Avid)

Actually I would use it more if you didn't have to lay down bars
separately or first or whatever. For those that don't know, SMPTE bars
are illegal themselves.

On Nov 12, 2009, at 4:51 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:

> And I'll be you used Safe Colors on your Symphony, which is more or
> less a legalizer.
>
> --- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hullfish
> <steve4lists@...> wrote:
> >
> > I've delivered numerous projects to PBS - long and short form - and
> > have never gone through a legalizer and have never gotten kicked
> back.
> > Knock on wood. But never without external scopes. But also never HD.
> >
> >
> > On Nov 12, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Rick wrote:
> >
> > > My experience with HD deliveries to PBS, is that if it isn't run
> > > through a legalizer, good luck getting it past QC unless you suck
> > > all the chroma out of it.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>

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Re: [FCP-L] Rant: Presumptive Clients

At least he's a prick with a legalizer. I find there is no way to satisfy my Tek WFM-7020 for minor specular errors without a GOOD legalizer. I'm limping with an Ensemble Frame Store legalizer that just plain sucks. You can't have it legalize RGB and Proc Amp controls at the same time. I ran an un color corrected show through the ensemble and logged 90 plus errors on the tek scope. Same show through the Harris Videotek DL-860 and zero errors.

I run 16 to 235 limits on my color correction but stuff still sneaks through, even after applying the Avid Safe Color Limit effect. For broadcast work I never fly without a net. I firmly believe there are errors added after my color correction on the timeline by the hardware outputting the signal. Sure enough I got a show fail QC thanks to my limited legalizer. The cost of re close captioning and dubbing the outputs would have paid for the brunt of a valid legalizer. I've even explained the loss of time for Safe Color Effect renders and virtually double the storage space on each show but bean counters don't watch level just beans.

--- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Rick <a_pmb_fan@...> wrote:
>
Did I mentionÂ he isÂ a prick and an idiot all rolled up into one?
> Â Rick Emery
> www.rickemery.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
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Re: [FCP-L] Rant: Presumptive Clients

And I'll be you used Safe Colors on your Symphony, which is more or less a legalizer.

--- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@...> wrote:
>
> I've delivered numerous projects to PBS - long and short form - and
> have never gone through a legalizer and have never gotten kicked back.
> Knock on wood. But never without external scopes. But also never HD.
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Rick wrote:
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> > My experience with HD deliveries to PBS, is that if it isn't run
> > through a legalizer, good luck getting it past QC unless you suck
> > all the chroma out of it.
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[FCP-L] Cutting/Shooting for News Agencies

hi all:

I am looking for contacts at UPI, AP, Reuters, CNN, and any independent
news agency that shoots/edits their packages. Any help with info/contacts
would be great. (Snarky comments not necessary, however).

You can email me directly at multo@multo.com, or respond on list. Thanks
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Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:09 PM, Emerick, David N wrote:

> I guess no one read the comments.... Rack mounted Ultrascope

DE,

Yep...He just got it a few minutes ago.

Paul Conigliaro just scored a 10-user seat of Final Cut Server.

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Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

Here is the reasoning for creating a system like this...

BMD created a gorgeous full featured product in the UltraScope. And they tried to make it as inexpensive as possible by making it a card you can drop into a spare system laying around.

However, most people who have a spare system like this don't realize the specs required. You need at least two PCIe slots--one of which needs to be a x16 PCIe slot for the graphics card. Spare systems might be an older system laying around from a previous system--and they may be PCI-X, not PCIe.

And there are few graphics cards that are officially supported, so now you are having to run out and but a new card to replace in that spare system.

AND...this would be very beneficial to all editors--Mac users included--since the system requires HD-SDI, but otherwise doesn't care about the type of platform where its coming from. However, many Mac users (not all of you...no flames please) wouldn't have a spare system like this laying around, nor would they know how to build one from the ground up (again...I know you people are smart...so no flames please...I am talking about those OTHER Mac-based editors...)

One more thing--who wants another tower on the ground? This system is in a low profile compact 2U rack which can be put on a shelf nearby, or away from the main editing system altogether in another room with a long SDI run.

So...we decided to build a companion product for the UltraScope. It will be a ready-to-use product--just rack it up, plug in a monitor, turn it on, and boot up the software. Aside from that, you don't have to tinker, install, configure or do anything else.

We've already tested it with the 24" Apple Cinema LED display. Its gorgeous. I'll post a picture later on REDuser and at the blog.

We'll have it up on the site for ordering with pricing tomorrow. The engineering is done--the product works fine, but we are recasing them since aesthetically the current 2U system looks...um...generic.

If you have a monitor that supports 1920 x 1200, you can buy it without a monitor. We'll also bundle it with a 24" display and the Gefen adapter for those who want that, too.

We still need a name for it. I was thinking about ColoRig, but I am open to suggestions. I don't think "The Mullet" will make the final list.

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Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

Boring! Sure, needed, but not much excitement there. Can't you add
some explosions or dancers or something? Ninja scope! Ninja
assassin color grading LUT system from Davinci! Price?

Greg (at) secrethq.com
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On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:09 PM, Andy Edwards <aedigitaltv@mac.com> wrote:

> Winner from the blog: rack mounted UltraScope
>
> Andy Edwards
>
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Torrey Loomis wrote:
>
> >
> > On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Greg Huson wrote:
> >
> >> Duh... Swinging wildly now... My guess is 4k media server for
> >> theatrical or locations playback. Seems like adding a BRD
> wouldn't be
> >> such a bad idea, if that's what it is..
> >
> > Greg,
> >
> > Not a 4K media server...
> >
> > Torrey
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[FCP-L] Re: Rant: Presumptive Clients

> These shows were being QC'd in Seattle, then sent to Boston, who QC'd them again. After the first two failed, they were looking at every tape with a magnifying glass.
> I was speaking to someone from WETA down here in DC and he mentioned how annoyed they are when they ask for hdcam, and get every other format under the sun.Â You don't make many friends there it seems when you send them something they didn't ask for.
> Rick Emery

It's been a few years since I delivered anything to PBS nationally, but in my experience, they are real sticklers for the letter of the law. That means correct formats, correct slate info, correct labels, exact times and properly filled out QC paperwork.

If you go in through a PBS feeder station that has a trusted track record with the network and who makes sure of the above, then the network folks seem to scrutinize the program a bit less. In other words, if they spot check the master and the levels and other measurements coincide with the information supplied by the affiliate, then they tend to trust that the affiliate did their job.

One key to this is for the affiliate to actually create and use QC forms that mimic the network's and then to actually go by those values. Of course, if your master fails, then it throws up red flags for the next time.

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Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

Winner from the blog: rack mounted UltraScope

Andy Edwards

On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Torrey Loomis wrote:

>
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Greg Huson wrote:
>
>> Duh... Swinging wildly now... My guess is 4k media server for
>> theatrical or locations playback. Seems like adding a BRD wouldn't be
>> such a bad idea, if that's what it is..
>
> Greg,
>
> Not a 4K media server...
>
> Torrey
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Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

I guess no one read the comments.... Rack mounted Ultrascope

Nice job Paul.

Cheers

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From: Andy Edwards
Subject: Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

Let me "Scratch" this thread one more time :-)

You are building a custom Scratch enabled system?

Andy Edwards

On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Torrey Loomis wrote:

>
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Andy Edwards wrote:
>
>> Red Rocket dedicated Server machine?
>
>
> Andy,
>
> Not a server...and not for RED Rocket...
>
> :-)
>
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Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Andy Edwards wrote:

> You are building a custom Scratch enabled system?

Andy,

Actually no--this could be used with SCRATCH, FCP, Premiere, or anything else that can output SDI.

But that is probably REALLY giving it away now...

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Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

Let me "Scratch" this thread one more time :-)

You are building a custom Scratch enabled system?

Andy Edwards

On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Torrey Loomis wrote:

>
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Andy Edwards wrote:
>
>> Red Rocket dedicated Server machine?
>
>
> Andy,
>
> Not a server...and not for RED Rocket...
>
> :-)
>
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Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

well, you might want to consider it.

Donnie Rogers
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On Nov 12, 2009, at 3:49 PM, Torrey Loomis wrote:

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> On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Rick wrote:
>
>> Well then, is it for downloading porn and feeding it to an HD/SDI
>> monitor in 444?
>
>
> Rick,
>
> Um......no.
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Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Greg Huson wrote:

> Duh... Swinging wildly now... My guess is 4k media server for theatrical or locations playback. Seems like adding a BRD wouldn't be
> such a bad idea, if that's what it is..

Greg,

Not a 4K media server...

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Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

OK - it is a refurbished Avid Media Processor, circa 1995.

On 12 Nov 2009, at 19:55, Torrey Loomis wrote:

Folks

We're building up a new piece of technology at Silverado and we're
giving you the chance to guess what it is...

+++
With best wishes,

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Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

Duh... Swinging wildly now... My guess is 4k media server for
theatrical or locations playback. Seems like adding a BRD wouldn't be
such a bad idea, if that's what it is..

Greg (at) secrethq.com
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> Folks
>
> We're building up a new piece of technology at Silverado and we're
> giving you the chance to guess what it is...
>
> http://bit.ly/2Pz4WZ
>
> If you are observant, you'll be able to get it pretty quick. We've
> posted it up at REDuser and no one has gotten it right so far.
>
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Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Rick wrote:

> Well then, is it for downloading porn and feeding it to an HD/SDI monitor in 444?

Rick,

Um......no.

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Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

Ooh yes, please! But then another 4 for exclusive 10bit porn ALPHA!

On 12.11.2009, at 21:42, Rick wrote:

> Well then, is it for downloading porn and feeding it to an HD/SDI monitor in 444?
> Rick Emery
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Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

Well then, is it for downloading porn and feeding it to an HD/SDI monitor in 444?
Rick Emery
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From: Torrey Loomis <torrey@silverado.cc>
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Subject: Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Steve Hullfish wrote:

> A "dailies" creator. Pulls the footage off CF cards, runs the signal through the Red Rocket card and then instead of going through the
> breakout box for HD-SDI, it goes to the video card that's underneath it for some reason to make dailies to BluRay.

Steve,

Not for dailies. Not for Blu-ray.

In fact, the machine does not even have a built-in optical drive.

:-)

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Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Steve Hullfish wrote:

Steve,

Not for dailies. Not for Blu-ray.

In fact, the machine does not even have a built-in optical drive.

:-)

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Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Andy Edwards wrote:

> Red Rocket dedicated Server machine?

Andy,

Not a server...and not for RED Rocket...

:-)

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Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

Second guess:

A "dailies" creator. Pulls the footage off CF cards, runs the signal
through the Red Rocket card and then instead of going through the
breakout box for HD-SDI, it goes to the video card that's underneath
it for some reason to make dailies to BluRay.

On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Torrey Loomis wrote:

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Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

Red Rocket dedicated Server machine?

Andy Edwards

On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:16 PM, Steve Hullfish wrote:

> My guess:
>
> It dubs and plays video files from RED CF (compact Flash cards). You
> load the cards in, copy to the hard drive and/or play out for checking
> via the video card.
>
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Torrey Loomis wrote:
>
>> Folks
>>
>> We're building up a new piece of technology at Silverado and we're
>> giving you the chance to guess what it is...
>>
>> http://bit.ly/2Pz4WZ
>>
>> If you are observant, you'll be able to get it pretty quick. We've
>> posted it up at REDuser and no one has gotten it right so far.
>>
>> Torrey
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>> President & CEO - Silverado Systems, Inc.
>> (916) 760-0032 • FAX (916) 404-5258
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>> http://www.Silverado.cc
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Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Steve Hullfish wrote:

> It dubs and plays video files from RED CF (compact Flash cards). You load the cards in, copy to the hard drive and/or play out for checking
> via the video card.

Steve,

Good guess! But its not for ingest.

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Re: [FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

My guess:

It dubs and plays video files from RED CF (compact Flash cards). You
load the cards in, copy to the hard drive and/or play out for checking
via the video card.

On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Torrey Loomis wrote:

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[FCP-L] New tech from Silverado - take a guess...

Folks

We're building up a new piece of technology at Silverado and we're giving you the chance to guess what it is...

http://bit.ly/2Pz4WZ

If you are observant, you'll be able to get it pretty quick. We've posted it up at REDuser and no one has gotten it right so far.

Torrey
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Re: [FCP-L] Rant: Presumptive Clients

These shows were being QC'd in Seattle, then sent to Boston, who QC'd them again. After the first two failed, they were looking at every tape with a magnifying glass.

I was speaking to someone from WETA down here in DC and he mentioned how annoyed they are when they ask for hdcam, and get every other format under the sun. You don't make many friends there it seems when you send them something they didn't ask for.
Rick Emery
www.rickemery.com

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Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 10:32:53 AM
Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Rant: Presumptive Clients

A lot of times passing QC at *PBS* is almost never the network itself, but the individual PBS affiliates that you are dealing with. These stations are the gateway into the PBS system for a nationally-distribu ted show and are free to interpret the Red Book specs as strictly as they want to. It's their name that goes up to the network QC folks.

- Oliver

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[FCP-L] Re: Semi-OT: Mac QT to PC WMV gamma settings

Is nobody getting the difference between display gamma and the gamma
curve used by the video editor and color corrector?

The two are very different.

I have speculated that Snow Leopard may move Apple to the common display
gamma used by pee cees. But when you send someone a Quicktime file,
you're color correcting to scopes (assuming people actually use scopes
these days) and Apple's Final Cut Studio is known to mess the gamma up
in Quicktime files.

Here is a workaround:

Apple ProRes decoder for windows induces a small gamma shift when you
import a ProRes Quicktime using Graphics. If you import as Video levels,
levels are even more wrong.

Even if you use Quicktime on your Windows application to export to image
sequence, the shift will be there.

This was tested using ProRes 1.0.

Exporting an image sequence on a Mac gives you the right levels.

So if you are trying to go cross-platform between a Mac and a Pee Cee,
you will want to export an image sequence and not a Quicktime file, then
import the image sequence and change it to an .AVI or a .WMV file in
Windoze.

--- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, "craigseeman" <cseeman@...> wrote:
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> When I installed Snow Leopard the monitor default display changed.
>
> See this Apple KB article
> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3712
>
> To better serve the needs of consumers and digital content producers,
Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard uses a gamma value of 2.2 by default. In
versions of Mac OS X prior to 10.6, the default system gamma value was
1.8. Using the capabilities of ColorSync, the gamma value of 2.2 is
automatically applied and seamlessly transitions your display, images
and videos to the new gamma value.
>
> --- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, "oliverpetersvidy" oliverpeters@
wrote:
> >
> > > craigseeman wrote:
> > > This is much easier to do in Snow Leopard which
> > > now has the same gamma as Windows.
> >
> > I'm not so sure that it will really be any different. The gamma
change from what I can tell with SL is how the app displays the image,
not the display itself. For instance, the ACDs I have do not use 2.2 as
Apple's default gamma when I select the preset profile. You have to
create a profile that is specifically set to 2.2 gamma. I think the
difference is how QT X and FCP display files within their own UI that
has changed.
> >
> > - Oliver
> >
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