Re: [FCP-L] Bad jitter in rendered clips from AE

Thanks! That solved our problem. Well, that and we think that she was
rendering frames instead of fields. When she rendered fields, it didn't
look quite as crisp, but the motion artifacting disappeared and it
looked much better.

Thanks again for your help!

Mike

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Philip Hodgetts wrote:
>
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2009, at 3:09 PM, mmcphail@comcast.net
> <mailto:mmcphail%40comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > I have a 30 sec clip that was rendered to an Animation codec at
> > 29.97fps for broadcast in SD NTSC. The video was all shot at 1080i
> > at 29.97 on a green screen, and the graphic designer composited that
> > behind & in front of other layers that she created in After Effects.
> > When I bring it into Final Cut (6) and render it in 10 bit
> > Uncompressed (though it doesn't seem to matter to what codec I
> > render it) the whole timeline plays back very jittery. It almost
> > looks like it should be de-interlaced - except that the jitter looks
> > like it's vertical, not horizontal. It looks like this in FCP,
> > Quicktime, & After Effects. If I stop on each frame it looks great,
> > but stepping through slowly looks jittery, also. It's as if I had
> > slowed it down & repeated the frames. In fact, she tried rendering
> > it out at 60fps & it looks great - exactly what I wanted, however I
> > can't put that on tv.. But if I try to convert it to 29.97 it looks
> > just as bad. I've tried every combination of field dominance, codec,
> > progressive or de-interlaced, and most other option I could find or
> > think of.
>
> Is the field order reversed? Try dropping it down one pixel vertically
> and render a test section.
>
> Philip
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Re: [FCP-L] OT: We Got That B-Roll!

It was posted here...
-shane

On Dec 9, 2009, at 4:11 PM, egleske wrote:

> Apologies if you've seen this (or are in it), but I hadn't see it
> posted here yet and knew that folks here could 1.) relate and b.)
> enjoy a good chuckle.
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SItFvB0Upb8>
>
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[FCP-L] OT: We Got That B-Roll!

Apologies if you've seen this (or are in it), but I hadn't see it posted here yet and knew that folks here could 1.) relate and b.) enjoy a good chuckle.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SItFvB0Upb8>

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[FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

> Shane Ross wrote:
> The KiPro is cool, but locks you to FCP.

Not Avid natively, but yes on Premiere Pro, After Effects and Smoke on Mac (I think).

- Oliver

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Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

A...yes, it shoots 24p. But people also like to shoot for slow motion.

Yeah, AVCI is difficult, but I don't deal with it natively. Either
transcode to ProRes, or to ProRes PROXY to offline, then batch to
ProRes when locked.

The KiPro is cool, but locks you to FCP. Someone contacted me
recently saying that they shot with that exact combination...EX1,
KiPro...with the intention to use the footage in an Avid.

Oops. They got an "F" on their homework assignment for that one.

-shane

On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:34 PM, oliverpetersvidy wrote:

> Shane,
>
> > Shane Ross wrote:
> > By ease of post, I mean working with an I-FRAME format instead of
> > GOP...because you can do things like ...
>
> While I agree in principle, I find that in actual practice I'm OK
> with EX and XDCAM-HD. No need to deal with reverse telecine, because
> the camera is 24p native. Really haven't had much of an issue. When
> you look at something like AVC-Intra, which is very computationally
> intensive, it's a real trade-off. The far more interesting and
> inviting option is to take SDI out of an EX and record to an
> external KiPro as ProRes.
>
> - Oliver
>
>
>

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Re: [FCP-L] Make new "selects" P2 card images from existing P2 card images

P2CMS can do this. It makes each shot into a separate card. Don't
ask me specifics please, as I don't use that application. I don't
like how it does this. BUT, seems like the ticket for this.

www.panasonic.com/p2

-shane

On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Tim McLaughlin wrote:

> Outside client is asking for B-Roll footage of something we shot a
> while
> back.
>
> However, the card images that I have backed up are both interview
> and b-roll
> mixed, and most likely a few shots are spanned across cards.
>
> Who has a utility that I can mount the cards, select just the clips
> I want
> and make a new P2 card image of the selected footage?
>
> Thanks folks!
>
> Tim McLaughlin
> Final Cut and Avid Editor
>
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[FCP-L] Make new "selects" P2 card images from existing P2 card images

Outside client is asking for B-Roll footage of something we shot a while
back.

However, the card images that I have backed up are both interview and b-roll
mixed, and most likely a few shots are spanned across cards.

Who has a utility that I can mount the cards, select just the clips I want
and make a new P2 card image of the selected footage?

Thanks folks!

Tim McLaughlin
Final Cut and Avid Editor

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[FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

Shane,

> Shane Ross wrote:
> By ease of post, I mean working with an I-FRAME format instead of
> GOP...because you can do things like ...

While I agree in principle, I find that in actual practice I'm OK with EX and XDCAM-HD. No need to deal with reverse telecine, because the camera is 24p native. Really haven't had much of an issue. When you look at something like AVC-Intra, which is very computationally intensive, it's a real trade-off. The far more interesting and inviting option is to take SDI out of an EX and record to an external KiPro as ProRes.

- Oliver

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Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

By ease of post, I mean working with an I-FRAME format instead of
GOP...because you can do things like reverse telecine and shoot 720p60
and slow that down to 30fps or 24fps via Cinema tools or other
methods. GOP formats don't allow for this....they need to be
converted first. Plus they are 4:2:0 opposed to 4:2:2 so I, when I
color correct, can't push the colors as much as I'd like.

BUT... I'll give you that the EX cameras give you AMAZING images.
Simply amazing. And the tapeless media is far cheaper than P2... and
with adapters you can record to Compact Flash cards and actually
archive those as they are pretty inexpensive.

Then we have the AVCHD formats of the Panasonic HMC-70, HMC-150...and
now that Sony NX. MPEG-4 opposed to the HDV/XDCAM MPEG-2...but still
GOP.

I am just NOT a fan of the GOP format. I know the EX cameras shoot
better images, but being an editor, I dislike GOP, 4:2:0. But then
the images are great.

TORN!

When's that Scarlet coming out?

-shane

On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:03 PM, oliverpetersvidy wrote:

> Shane,
>
> > Shane Ross wrote:
> > I find the lenses to be TOO sharp. Yes, in my mind, there is such a
> > thing. Interviews, close ups... the "talent" really don't like how
> > much HD and those lenses reveal. FILM is softer. But that's why I
> > like the filmic Panasonic cameras.
>
> I do see your point. Of course, most of my experience with the EX
> has been 24p and film-style filtering and gammas. I do like the look
> of the Panasonics out-of-the-box and agree that the 300 is a good
> little camera for the money. Plus much better ergonomics.
>
> But the original concern was ease of post. In that realm, all
> tapeless is a PITA in my opinion. Files from a Canon 5D or 7D are
> easier than EX and XDCAM from that POV if you ignore the transcoding
> issue. Nevertheless, tape is dead (or on its way under the ground)
> and they ain't turning back.
>
> - Oliver
>
>
>

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[FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

Shane,

> Shane Ross wrote:
> I find the lenses to be TOO sharp. Yes, in my mind, there is such a
> thing. Interviews, close ups... the "talent" really don't like how
> much HD and those lenses reveal. FILM is softer. But that's why I
> like the filmic Panasonic cameras.

I do see your point. Of course, most of my experience with the EX has been 24p and film-style filtering and gammas. I do like the look of the Panasonics out-of-the-box and agree that the 300 is a good little camera for the money. Plus much better ergonomics.

But the original concern was ease of post. In that realm, all tapeless is a PITA in my opinion. Files from a Canon 5D or 7D are easier than EX and XDCAM from that POV if you ignore the transcoding issue. Nevertheless, tape is dead (or on its way under the ground) and they ain't turning back.

- Oliver

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Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

Thanks, John. No worries. I only mentioned my feature orientation to make the point that I don't deal with these kinds of cameras every day. I tend to live in a 35mm universe so I'm not always up to speed on what's churning in that sector or things.

David
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To: "FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com" <FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 12:33:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

My apolgies for the terse response. My opinion was based on the
camera .. It's really a plastic price if crap that is awkward to to
hold. And the lens ain't great . Also, as a format , xdcam is really
really lossy. I work on an assortment of action sports HD
programming . Whenever we get xd broil footage , it doesn't cut well
with the other footage (HDCAM or P2 720p), whenever a flash-bulb hits
the lens, the picture is filled with blocks of gunk. We are shooting
right now with the JVC GYHm700 and it's blows the xdcam away . Yes,
it has the 35mbs out if the box like XDCAM, nut you can change the
settings, shoot st higher bitrates, don't gave to wrangle with some
stupid Sony codec to get it into your FCP system, and it takes prime
lenses. Also, we shoot with the canon eos mark 5, though technically
not a video cam, blows the flipping doors off XDCAM. That's two
options, I can provide more, but I am currently standing in the corner
if 47th and broadway and I gave to cross the street now. And I cut
features too, Dave

On Dec 9, 2009, at 3:17 PM, Jim Feeley <jfeeley@gmail. com> wrote:

> John, that's not a helpful response. I suggest you defend your
> statement.
>
> Jim
> FCP-L moderator
>
> On 12/9/09 11:41 AM, "john@digitalcut. com" <john@digitalcut. com>
> wrote:
>
> > If you don't know, you're on the wrong list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:52 PM, David Dodson
> <davidadodson@ sbcglobal. net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Such as?
> >>
> >> D
> >> David Dodson
> >> davidadodson@ sbcglobal. net
> >> 818-541-1225
> >> 818-523-0905 mobile
> >>
> >> ____________ _________ _________ __
> >> From: "john@digitalcut. com" <john@digitalcut. com>
> >> To: "FinalCutPro- L@yahoogroups. com" <FinalCutPro- L@yahoogroups. com>
> >> Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 10:41:59 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow
> >>
> >> And not to mention that XDCAM imsge quality is only slightly better
> >> than HDV - but still pretty bad. There are better options out
> there in
> >> this same price range
> >>
> >> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Phil Mastman <phil@sandlotpictur e
> s.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> EX1 has a CineAlta logo on it.
> >>>
> >>> --Phil Mastman
> >>> Sandlot Pictures, Inc.
> >>>
> >>>> The camera is the EX1 with revisions to answer some of the
> >>> problems with
> >>>> original. Still a lousy camera to handhold though. Not sure how
> >>> you got
> >>>> CineAlta
> >>>> in there though. That is the upper line of SR cameras. Not even
> >>> the same
> >>>> division of Sony.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> >>
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Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

OK...then put the HPX-170 on that list. The lens isn't nearly as good
as the the EX line, but just about everything else is. Metadata,
4:2:2 format, I frame...ease of editing in FCP and Avid.

-shane

On Dec 9, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Jim Feeley wrote:

> The HPX300 is pretty impressive for the price. But camera, lens,
> batteries,
> and card is about $9,000 after rebate. At least, that's a B&H
> package price.
>
> The Sony EX1R isn't available yet, but looks like it will be about
> $6,000 on
> the street with battery and a generic memory card. At this end of the
> market, that's a significant price difference.
>
> Comparing the HPX300 to the Sony EX3 (which costs about the same,
> all things
> considered) is a bit more involved and interesting. The EX3 produces
> nice
> images. I've only seen a little bit of real-world HPX300 footage, so
> I can't
> make a serious comparison.
>
> Jim
>
> On 12/9/09 12:13 PM, "Shane Ross" <comeback@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > HPX-300... for one.
> >
> >
> > On Dec 9, 2009, at 10:52 AM, David Dodson wrote:
> >
> >> Such as?
> >>
> >> D
> >> David Dodson
> >> davidadodson@sbcglobal.net
> >> 818-541-1225
> >> 818-523-0905 mobile
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: "john@digitalcut.com" <john@digitalcut.com>
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> >> Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 10:41:59 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow
> >>
> >> And not to mention that XDCAM imsge quality is only slightly better
> >> than HDV - but still pretty bad. There are better options out
> there in
> >> this same price range
> >>
> >> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Phil Mastman <phil@sandlotpicture
> s.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> EX1 has a CineAlta logo on it.
> >>>
> >>> --Phil Mastman
> >>> Sandlot Pictures, Inc.
> >>>
> >>>> The camera is the EX1 with revisions to answer some of the
> >>> problems with
> >>>> original. Still a lousy camera to handhold though. Not sure how
> >>> you got
> >>>> CineAlta
> >>>> in there though. That is the upper line of SR cameras. Not even
> >>> the same
> >>>> division of Sony.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

Maybe it's not technically available but I was doinking around with it last night. Shot stuff, including some stuff using the built-in intervalometer. Really nice.

Still, my concern has been the ease-of-post workflow. I keep thinking that with the long GOP structure that the whole wrapping or rewrapping or transcoding part might be onerous for a one-man band that my friend is contemplating.

When ingesting this stuff, is it a realtime process?

Thanks,

David

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To: FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 12:29:55 PM
Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

The HPX300 is pretty impressive for the price. But camera, lens, batteries,
and card is about $9,000 after rebate. At least, that's a B&H package price.

The Sony EX1R isn't available yet, but looks like it will be about $6,000 on
the street with battery and a generic memory card. At this end of the
market, that's a significant price difference.

Comparing the HPX300 to the Sony EX3 (which costs about the same, all things
considered) is a bit more involved and interesting. The EX3 produces nice
images. I've only seen a little bit of real-world HPX300 footage, so I can't
make a serious comparison.

Jim

On 12/9/09 12:13 PM, "Shane Ross" <comeback@mac. com> wrote:

> HPX-300... for one.
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 10:52 AM, David Dodson wrote:
>
>> Such as?
>>
>> D
>> David Dodson
>> davidadodson@ sbcglobal. net
>> 818-541-1225
>> 818-523-0905 mobile
>>
>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>> From: "john@digitalcut. com" <john@digitalcut. com>
>> To: "FinalCutPro- L@yahoogroups. com" <FinalCutPro- L@yahoogroups. com>
>> Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 10:41:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow
>>
>> And not to mention that XDCAM imsge quality is only slightly better
>> than HDV - but still pretty bad. There are better options out there in
>> this same price range
>>
>> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Phil Mastman <phil@sandlotpictur e s.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> EX1 has a CineAlta logo on it.
>>>
>>> --Phil Mastman
>>> Sandlot Pictures, Inc.
>>>
>>>> The camera is the EX1 with revisions to answer some of the
>>> problems with
>>>> original. Still a lousy camera to handhold though. Not sure how
>>> you got
>>>> CineAlta
>>>> in there though. That is the upper line of SR cameras. Not even
>>> the same
>>>> division of Sony.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

That's fine...just a suggestion.

I find the lenses to be TOO sharp. Yes, in my mind, there is such a
thing. Interviews, close ups... the "talent" really don't like how
much HD and those lenses reveal. FILM is softer. But that's why I
like the filmic Panasonic cameras.

Preference I suppose.

WILDLIFE? NATURE... sure go for sharp.

-shane

On Dec 9, 2009, at 12:32 PM, oliverpetersvidy wrote:

> Shane,
>
> > Shane Ross wrote:
> > HPX-300... for one.
>
> The same friend who did the film I just referenced sold his EXs for
> business reasons and bought a 300. I asked him which he thought
> looked better. His immediate opinion was that the EX1 and 3
> definitely made better pictures than the 300.
>
> - Oliver
>
>
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[FCP-L] Re: Smoke on Mac update

Scott,

> switthaus wrote:
> Nice article, Oliver....I don't necessarily agree that McSmoke
> is the next big thing, but a good article all the same...

Thanks. I think it's too early to tell. Remember that Autodesk seems to work off of far smaller numbers than Avid or Apple to be successful. The interesting thing is that this product becomes the de facto, mythical "Final Cut Extreme". It satisfies that need and actually takes some heat off of Apple. It becomes a win-win for Apple, because they'll get the hardware sale and may still sell another seat of FC Studio.

One interesting thing to consider is that the sweet spot would probably be a place with 4 or 5 FCP bays hooked to Xsan. These suites would typically all be equipped as "finishing" rooms. If you installed a Smoke on Mac room as the "hero" suite, you could actually cut back on some of the bells-and-whistles in the other rooms. That in and of itself would partially offset the higher cost of the Smoke room.

- Oliver

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Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

My apolgies for the terse response. My opinion was based on the
camera .. It's really a plastic price if crap that is awkward to to
hold. And the lens ain't great . Also, as a format , xdcam is really
really lossy. I work on an assortment of action sports HD
programming . Whenever we get xd broil footage , it doesn't cut well
with the other footage (HDCAM or P2 720p), whenever a flash-bulb hits
the lens, the picture is filled with blocks of gunk. We are shooting
right now with the JVC GYHm700 and it's blows the xdcam away . Yes,
it has the 35mbs out if the box like XDCAM, nut you can change the
settings, shoot st higher bitrates, don't gave to wrangle with some
stupid Sony codec to get it into your FCP system, and it takes prime
lenses. Also, we shoot with the canon eos mark 5, though technically
not a video cam, blows the flipping doors off XDCAM. That's two
options, I can provide more, but I am currently standing in the corner
if 47th and broadway and I gave to cross the street now. And I cut
features too, Dave

On Dec 9, 2009, at 3:17 PM, Jim Feeley <jfeeley@gmail.com> wrote:

> John, that's not a helpful response. I suggest you defend your
> statement.
>
> Jim
> FCP-L moderator
>
> On 12/9/09 11:41 AM, "john@digitalcut.com" <john@digitalcut.com>
> wrote:
>
> > If you don't know, you're on the wrong list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:52 PM, David Dodson
> <davidadodson@sbcglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Such as?
> >>
> >> D
> >> David Dodson
> >> davidadodson@sbcglobal.net
> >> 818-541-1225
> >> 818-523-0905 mobile
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: "john@digitalcut.com" <john@digitalcut.com>
> >> To: "FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com" <FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 10:41:59 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow
> >>
> >> And not to mention that XDCAM imsge quality is only slightly better
> >> than HDV - but still pretty bad. There are better options out
> there in
> >> this same price range
> >>
> >> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Phil Mastman <phil@sandlotpicture
> s.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> EX1 has a CineAlta logo on it.
> >>>
> >>> --Phil Mastman
> >>> Sandlot Pictures, Inc.
> >>>
> >>>> The camera is the EX1 with revisions to answer some of the
> >>> problems with
> >>>> original. Still a lousy camera to handhold though. Not sure how
> >>> you got
> >>>> CineAlta
> >>>> in there though. That is the upper line of SR cameras. Not even
> >>> the same
> >>>> division of Sony.
> >>>
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[FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

Shane,

> Shane Ross wrote:
> HPX-300... for one.

The same friend who did the film I just referenced sold his EXs for business reasons and bought a 300. I asked him which he thought looked better. His immediate opinion was that the EX1 and 3 definitely made better pictures than the 300.

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Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

The HPX300 is pretty impressive for the price. But camera, lens, batteries,
and card is about $9,000 after rebate. At least, that's a B&H package price.

The Sony EX1R isn't available yet, but looks like it will be about $6,000 on
the street with battery and a generic memory card. At this end of the
market, that's a significant price difference.

Comparing the HPX300 to the Sony EX3 (which costs about the same, all things
considered) is a bit more involved and interesting. The EX3 produces nice
images. I've only seen a little bit of real-world HPX300 footage, so I can't
make a serious comparison.

Jim

On 12/9/09 12:13 PM, "Shane Ross" <comeback@mac.com> wrote:

> HPX-300... for one.
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 10:52 AM, David Dodson wrote:
>
>> Such as?
>>
>> D
>> David Dodson
>> davidadodson@sbcglobal.net
>> 818-541-1225
>> 818-523-0905 mobile
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "john@digitalcut.com" <john@digitalcut.com>
>> To: "FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com" <FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 10:41:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow
>>
>> And not to mention that XDCAM imsge quality is only slightly better
>> than HDV - but still pretty bad. There are better options out there in
>> this same price range
>>
>> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Phil Mastman <phil@sandlotpicture s.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> EX1 has a CineAlta logo on it.
>>>
>>> --Phil Mastman
>>> Sandlot Pictures, Inc.
>>>
>>>> The camera is the EX1 with revisions to answer some of the
>>> problems with
>>>> original. Still a lousy camera to handhold though. Not sure how
>>> you got
>>>> CineAlta
>>>> in there though. That is the upper line of SR cameras. Not even
>>> the same
>>>> division of Sony.
>>>
>>>
>>
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[FCP-L] Re: Smoke on Mac update

Nice article, Oliver....I don't necessarily agree that McSmoke is the next big thing, but a good article all the same...

Scott

--- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Oliver Peters <oliverpeters@...> wrote:
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> Coming soon...
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> http://www.videography.com/article/90006
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[FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

Last December and this January I posted a digital indie feature shot entirely (except for 4 or 5 minor inserts) with two EX1 and EX3 cameras. Cut natively on FCP and graded in Color. I have seen a Blu-ray copy of it projected in a cineplex digital theatre and the image quality was outstanding. Absolutely no issues as a result of compression.

Described here:

http://digitalfilms.wordpress.com/2009/03/16/scare-zone/

Their link:

http://scarezonemovie.com/

- Oliver

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[FCP-L] Re: Smoke on Mac update

> what a tease though. at the end, the link for the download... ugh... i
> know, it says when it's available, still, i had to try it...
> marc

Aah... But at least now you have the link, as you sit there with an itchy trigger finger ;-)

- Oliver

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Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

John, that's not a helpful response. I suggest you defend your statement.

Jim
FCP-L moderator

On 12/9/09 11:41 AM, "john@digitalcut.com" <john@digitalcut.com> wrote:

> If you don't know, you're on the wrong list
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:52 PM, David Dodson <davidadodson@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Such as?
>>
>> D
>> David Dodson
>> davidadodson@sbcglobal.net
>> 818-541-1225
>> 818-523-0905 mobile
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "john@digitalcut.com" <john@digitalcut.com>
>> To: "FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com" <FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 10:41:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow
>>
>> And not to mention that XDCAM imsge quality is only slightly better
>> than HDV - but still pretty bad. There are better options out there in
>> this same price range
>>
>> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Phil Mastman <phil@sandlotpicture s.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> EX1 has a CineAlta logo on it.
>>>
>>> --Phil Mastman
>>> Sandlot Pictures, Inc.
>>>
>>>> The camera is the EX1 with revisions to answer some of the
>>> problems with
>>>> original. Still a lousy camera to handhold though. Not sure how
>>> you got
>>>> CineAlta
>>>> in there though. That is the upper line of SR cameras. Not even
>>> the same
>>>> division of Sony.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
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Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

Thanks for the help there, John. Nice of you.

I cut features. But a friend has asked me to try and help him navigate the fast-moving waters of pro and prosumer cameras. Sorry I'm not a walking catalog of cameras. Just hoping for a little direction.

All the best,

David
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To: "FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com" <FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 11:41:43 AM
Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

If you don't know, you're on the wrong list

On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:52 PM, David Dodson <davidadodson@ sbcglobal. net>
wrote:

> Such as?
>
> D
> David Dodson
> davidadodson@ sbcglobal. net
> 818-541-1225
> 818-523-0905 mobile
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: "john@digitalcut. com" <john@digitalcut. com>
> To: "FinalCutPro- L@yahoogroups. com" <FinalCutPro- L@yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 10:41:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow
>
> And not to mention that XDCAM imsge quality is only slightly better
> than HDV - but still pretty bad. There are better options out there in
> this same price range
>
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Phil Mastman <phil@sandlotpictur e s.com>
> wrote:
>
> > EX1 has a CineAlta logo on it.
> >
> > --Phil Mastman
> > Sandlot Pictures, Inc.
> >
> > > The camera is the EX1 with revisions to answer some of the
> > problems with
> > > original. Still a lousy camera to handhold though. Not sure how
> > you got
> > > CineAlta
> > > in there though. That is the upper line of SR cameras. Not even
> > the same
> > > division of Sony.
> >
> >
>
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Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

HPX-300... for one.

On Dec 9, 2009, at 10:52 AM, David Dodson wrote:

> Such as?
>
> D
> David Dodson
> davidadodson@sbcglobal.net
> 818-541-1225
> 818-523-0905 mobile
>
> ________________________________
> From: "john@digitalcut.com" <john@digitalcut.com>
> To: "FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com" <FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 10:41:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow
>
> And not to mention that XDCAM imsge quality is only slightly better
> than HDV - but still pretty bad. There are better options out there in
> this same price range
>
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Phil Mastman <phil@sandlotpicture s.com>
> wrote:
>
> > EX1 has a CineAlta logo on it.
> >
> > --Phil Mastman
> > Sandlot Pictures, Inc.
> >
> > > The camera is the EX1 with revisions to answer some of the
> > problems with
> > > original. Still a lousy camera to handhold though. Not sure how
> > you got
> > > CineAlta
> > > in there though. That is the upper line of SR cameras. Not even
> > the same
> > > division of Sony.
> >
> >
>
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Re: [FCP-L] Re: Smoke on Mac update

great article.
what a tease though. at the end, the link for the download... ugh... i
know, it says when it's available, still, i had to try it...

marc

On Dec 9, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Oliver Peters wrote:

> Coming soon...
>
> http://www.videography.com/article/90006
>
> - Oliver
>
>

Marc Fisher
cav2ya@sbcglobal.net

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[FCP-L] Re: Smoke on Mac update

Coming soon...

http://www.videography.com/article/90006

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Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

If you don't know, you're on the wrong list

On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:52 PM, David Dodson <davidadodson@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> Such as?
>
> D
> David Dodson
> davidadodson@sbcglobal.net
> 818-541-1225
> 818-523-0905 mobile
>
> ________________________________
> From: "john@digitalcut.com" <john@digitalcut.com>
> To: "FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com" <FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 10:41:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow
>
> And not to mention that XDCAM imsge quality is only slightly better
> than HDV - but still pretty bad. There are better options out there in
> this same price range
>
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Phil Mastman <phil@sandlotpicture s.com>
> wrote:
>
> > EX1 has a CineAlta logo on it.
> >
> > --Phil Mastman
> > Sandlot Pictures, Inc.
> >
> > > The camera is the EX1 with revisions to answer some of the
> > problems with
> > > original. Still a lousy camera to handhold though. Not sure how
> > you got
> > > CineAlta
> > > in there though. That is the upper line of SR cameras. Not even
> > the same
> > > division of Sony.
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

Such as?

D
David Dodson
davidadodson@sbcglobal.net
818-541-1225
818-523-0905 mobile

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Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 10:41:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

And not to mention that XDCAM imsge quality is only slightly better
than HDV - but still pretty bad. There are better options out there in
this same price range

On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Phil Mastman <phil@sandlotpicture s.com>
wrote:

> EX1 has a CineAlta logo on it.
>
> --Phil Mastman
> Sandlot Pictures, Inc.
>
> > The camera is the EX1 with revisions to answer some of the
> problems with
> > original. Still a lousy camera to handhold though. Not sure how
> you got
> > CineAlta
> > in there though. That is the upper line of SR cameras. Not even
> the same
> > division of Sony.
>
>

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Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

And not to mention that XDCAM imsge quality is only slightly better
than HDV - but still pretty bad. There are better options out there in
this same price range

On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Phil Mastman <phil@sandlotpictures.com>
wrote:

> EX1 has a CineAlta logo on it.
>
> --Phil Mastman
> Sandlot Pictures, Inc.
>
> > The camera is the EX1 with revisions to answer some of the
> problems with
> > original. Still a lousy camera to handhold though. Not sure how
> you got
> > CineAlta
> > in there though. That is the upper line of SR cameras. Not even
> the same
> > division of Sony.
>
>

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Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

EX1 has a CineAlta logo on it.

--Phil Mastman
Sandlot Pictures, Inc.

> The camera is the EX1 with revisions to answer some of the problems with
> original. Still a lousy camera to handhold though. Not sure how you got
> CineAlta
> in there though. That is the upper line of SR cameras. Not even the same
> division of Sony.

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Re: [FCP-L] OT: Great job

12 of those applicants have 4 year college degrees. ;) Colleges
churn out people with those basic skills by the tens of thousands
each year. There are just not that many jobs waiting for them (and
never has been) so they've got to do something for all the money they
spent gaining these "modern" skills.

Problem is my daughter is now learning basic editing skills in 6th grade.

Take a look at VoiceThread: http://voicethread.com/about/k12/

It's a cross between Facebook and iMovie/Garageband.

Something we all may be "faced" with soon,

Ross

> > 17 people have applied for this.
>>
>> Please kill me now.
> >
>> Rick Emery
> > www.rickemery.com

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Re: [FCP-L] OT: Great job

Remember Punk "music"? I did the first Clash Video, hopefully this
will go the way of punk . . . . .
On 9 Dec 2009, at 00:59, Rick wrote:

> From oDesk:
> We are looking for a person with experience who knows how to edit
> videos with FinalCut Studio and Premiere.
> Need to know formats and capable to convert file format.
> The person needs to speak good english...
> This is mainly for personal projects so I don't have big budget.
> This is for a new project and budget is low... between 2-4$/hour
> according to experience...
> thanks
>
> 17 people have applied for this.
>
> Please kill me now.
>
> Rick Emery
> www.rickemery.com
>
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>
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