FCP-L: Oct 21, 2009

Wednesday, October 21, 2009

[FCP-L] Re: HDV Question

Quote "I actually have 2 iPhones hooked together to give me dual monitor editing just like the pros use."
What a laugh! And there was me thinking we were Pros with dual 26" screens on MacPros FCPs and Avids.....

Oh and yes you can technically lay back to HDV but anyone who knows the technical limitations of re compressing a fixed length GOP. Will be aware of the likely hood of cuts occurring between I frames and the damage the resulting frames will suffer till the next I frame. Possibly as much as 10 frames of damaged material.
HDV is suitable for acquisition. But that's all.
Layback to implies there is no regard for the quality. SO why even bother in the first place.
Output as a file (ideally framebased codec) and transfer it that way.

--- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, "ksirul" <kenfcp@...> wrote:
>
>
> OK, but does the M10 Firewire option work? did I mention I am outputting this from my iPhone editing app? I actually have 2 iPhones hooked together to give me dual monitor editing just like the pros use.
>
>
>
> --- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Zelin" <maxavid@> wrote:
> >
> > rent a Sony HDW-1500A. This works perfectly. Simple HD-SDI input with RS422 control.
> >
> > Bob Zelin
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ksirul
> > To: FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 4:43 PM
> > Subject: [FCP-L] HDV Question
> >
> >
> > for some reason, a client wants a sequence output to HDV tape. We are on v6 FCP with AJA Kona3. Rendered the project in an HDV sequence. Hooked FW400 to the Sony M10 HDV Deck. Will this even work? What are the FCP video output settings? I can't believe I need to deliver on this format.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > KEN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [FCP-L] how do I convert Microsoft DV AVI files to a Mac?

David is right. MPEG Streamclip is the best bet. Convert the source to Quicktime once and save re-rendering later.

Leo

--- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, David Baud <david.baud@...> wrote:
>
> Yes I would convert them using MPEG Streamclip on the Mac to the codec
> of your choice. FCP should be much happier with a Quicktime wrapper.
>
> David
>
> On 21 oct. 09, at 20:13, skvisual wrote:
>
> > Greetings:
> > I appreciate the input regarding the question of converting avi's
> > for use in Final Cut...
> >
> > what is your experience when you have placed avi's on timeline in FC
> > without conversion ?
> > the files that I am dealing with are widescreen DV and 4:3 ,
> > Standard Def..
> >
> > on my initial query, I assumed that the avi's had to be converted,
> > hence my request for converters; but I heard from an editor who said
> > avi's are not a problem in FC even if QT puts a "bogus" warning..
> > but then another editor said avi's are not happy with Final Cut or
> > QT ? I remain uncertain..
> >
> > Ultimately, my goal in this exercise is to advise a client who had a
> > cabaret show shot in a tapeless medium and wants to have the files
> > archived on her hard drive in the right format ready for either a PC
> > or Mac editor to work on without having to deal with
> > conversions....if that is possible ... so far whe has a ntfs drive
> > with avi's...if I can advise her she can take that anywhere, just
> > like the good ol' tape days, then that would be the solution and we
> > won't be concerned about conversions....and I would equally be able
> > to take any of my avi media and bring to FC when needed...While the
> > original shooter-editor has Premiere on PC, I do not...I have FC
> > Studio 1 and Sony Vegas Pro 8.Thanks
> >
> > Stan
> >
> > Stan Kurtis
> > skvisual@...
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Steve Hullfish
> > To: FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [FCP-L] how do I convert Microsoft DV AVI files to a Mac?
> >
> > Adobe has an article on how to work between FCP and Premiere Pro.
> > Maybe you should just create a selects reel in Premiere Pro and then
> > do your fine cut once you've got the media down to a manageable size?
> >
> > There are two docs - one on HOW to switch between FCP and PPro and
> > another on WHY you'd want to. Both are on links on this page under
> > "For FInal Cut Pro users."
> >
> > http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/production/openworkflows/
> >
> > On Oct 5, 2009, at 10:43 AM, skvisual wrote:
> >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > I have footage shot in widescreen DV ( 720 x 480, 1.2)
> > >
> > > It was captured via firewire to a PC with Adobe Premiere CS4, and
> > > the DV AVI files were copied to a USB hard drive formatted NTFS.
> > >
> > > How does a Final Cut editor deal with those very large AVI files on
> > > a Mac ? Can something transcode AVIs to Quicktime ?
> > >
> > > I understand that avi's don't play well with Final Cut
> > >
> > > How do Macs deal with an NTFS drive ?
> > >
> > > How do Macs deal with a 60 gig avi file ?
> > >
> > > Many thanks
> > >
> > > Stan
> > >
> > > Stan Kurtis
> > > skvisual@...
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [FCP-L] how do I convert Microsoft DV AVI files to a Mac?

On Oct 21, 2009, at 7:13 PM, skvisual wrote:

>
> Ultimately, my goal in this exercise is to advise a client who had
> a cabaret show shot in a tapeless medium and wants to have the files
> archived on her hard drive in the right format ready for either a PC
> or Mac editor to work on without having to deal with
> conversions....if that is possible ...

not so much with the possible there. Either she can have proprietary
edit system codec AVIs (PC) or fairly proprietary codec QT files (Mac).

Conversion would always be necessary.

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Re: [FCP-L] how do I convert Microsoft DV AVI files to a Mac?

Yes I would convert them using MPEG Streamclip on the Mac to the codec
of your choice. FCP should be much happier with a Quicktime wrapper.

David

On 21 oct. 09, at 20:13, skvisual wrote:

> Greetings:
> I appreciate the input regarding the question of converting avi's
> for use in Final Cut...
>
> what is your experience when you have placed avi's on timeline in FC
> without conversion ?
> the files that I am dealing with are widescreen DV and 4:3 ,
> Standard Def..
>
> on my initial query, I assumed that the avi's had to be converted,
> hence my request for converters; but I heard from an editor who said
> avi's are not a problem in FC even if QT puts a "bogus" warning..
> but then another editor said avi's are not happy with Final Cut or
> QT ? I remain uncertain..
>
> Ultimately, my goal in this exercise is to advise a client who had a
> cabaret show shot in a tapeless medium and wants to have the files
> archived on her hard drive in the right format ready for either a PC
> or Mac editor to work on without having to deal with
> conversions....if that is possible ... so far whe has a ntfs drive
> with avi's...if I can advise her she can take that anywhere, just
> like the good ol' tape days, then that would be the solution and we
> won't be concerned about conversions....and I would equally be able
> to take any of my avi media and bring to FC when needed...While the
> original shooter-editor has Premiere on PC, I do not...I have FC
> Studio 1 and Sony Vegas Pro 8.Thanks
>
> Stan
>
> Stan Kurtis
> skvisual@earthlink.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Hullfish
> To: FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [FCP-L] how do I convert Microsoft DV AVI files to a Mac?
>
> Adobe has an article on how to work between FCP and Premiere Pro.
> Maybe you should just create a selects reel in Premiere Pro and then
> do your fine cut once you've got the media down to a manageable size?
>
> There are two docs - one on HOW to switch between FCP and PPro and
> another on WHY you'd want to. Both are on links on this page under
> "For FInal Cut Pro users."
>
> http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/production/openworkflows/
>
> On Oct 5, 2009, at 10:43 AM, skvisual wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I have footage shot in widescreen DV ( 720 x 480, 1.2)
> >
> > It was captured via firewire to a PC with Adobe Premiere CS4, and
> > the DV AVI files were copied to a USB hard drive formatted NTFS.
> >
> > How does a Final Cut editor deal with those very large AVI files on
> > a Mac ? Can something transcode AVIs to Quicktime ?
> >
> > I understand that avi's don't play well with Final Cut
> >
> > How do Macs deal with an NTFS drive ?
> >
> > How do Macs deal with a 60 gig avi file ?
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Stan
> >
> > Stan Kurtis
> > skvisual@earthlink.net
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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RE: [FCP-L] Laugh or Cry from Craigslist

That is probably the BEST quote I have seen on Yahoo this week J
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You covered two bases with Monica. A benefit and a 280lbs fleshy linebacker.
(-;

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On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:15 AM, Patrick Inhofer wrote:

> RE: Internships
> Is there an internship anywhere that doesn't somehow benefit the
> employer?

Monica Lewinsky comes to mind.

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Re: [FCP-L] how do I convert Microsoft DV AVI files to a Mac?

Greetings:
I appreciate the input regarding the question of converting avi's for use in Final Cut...

what is your experience when you have placed avi's on timeline in FC without conversion ?
the files that I am dealing with are widescreen DV and 4:3 , Standard Def..

on my initial query, I assumed that the avi's had to be converted, hence my request for converters; but I heard from an editor who said avi's are not a problem in FC even if QT puts a "bogus" warning.. but then another editor said avi's are not happy with Final Cut or QT ? I remain uncertain..

Ultimately, my goal in this exercise is to advise a client who had a cabaret show shot in a tapeless medium and wants to have the files archived on her hard drive in the right format ready for either a PC or Mac editor to work on without having to deal with conversions....if that is possible ... so far whe has a ntfs drive with avi's...if I can advise her she can take that anywhere, just like the good ol' tape days, then that would be the solution and we won't be concerned about conversions....and I would equally be able to take any of my avi media and bring to FC when needed...While the original shooter-editor has Premiere on PC, I do not...I have FC Studio 1 and Sony Vegas Pro 8.Thanks

Stan

Stan Kurtis
skvisual@earthlink.net

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Hullfish
To: FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [FCP-L] how do I convert Microsoft DV AVI files to a Mac?

Adobe has an article on how to work between FCP and Premiere Pro.
Maybe you should just create a selects reel in Premiere Pro and then
do your fine cut once you've got the media down to a manageable size?

There are two docs - one on HOW to switch between FCP and PPro and
another on WHY you'd want to. Both are on links on this page under
"For FInal Cut Pro users."

http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/production/openworkflows/

On Oct 5, 2009, at 10:43 AM, skvisual wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I have footage shot in widescreen DV ( 720 x 480, 1.2)
>
> It was captured via firewire to a PC with Adobe Premiere CS4, and
> the DV AVI files were copied to a USB hard drive formatted NTFS.
>
> How does a Final Cut editor deal with those very large AVI files on
> a Mac ? Can something transcode AVIs to Quicktime ?
>
> I understand that avi's don't play well with Final Cut
>
> How do Macs deal with an NTFS drive ?
>
> How do Macs deal with a 60 gig avi file ?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Stan
>
> Stan Kurtis
> skvisual@earthlink.net
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Re: [FCP-L] HDV Question

but will it work as well as this?

http://dvice.com/archives/2009/05/35-inch-floppy.php
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Subject: Re: [FCP-L] HDV Question

Hey that's a great idea, you could actually RAID them as well.

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On 22/10/2009, at 9:18 AM, "ksirul" <kenfcp@glueedit. com> wrote:

>
> OK, but does the M10 Firewire option work? did I mention I am
> outputting this from my iPhone editing app? I actually have 2
> iPhones hooked together to give me dual monitor editing just like
> the pros use.
>
>
>
> --- In FinalCutPro- L@yahoogroups. com, "Bob Zelin" <maxavid@... > wrote:
>>
>> rent a Sony HDW-1500A. This works perfectly. Simple HD-SDI input
>> with RS422 control.
>>
>> Bob Zelin
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: ksirul
>> To: FinalCutPro- L@yahoogroups. com
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 4:43 PM
>> Subject: [FCP-L] HDV Question
>>
>>
>> for some reason, a client wants a sequence output to HDV tape.
>> We are on v6 FCP with AJA Kona3. Rendered the project in an HDV
>> sequence. Hooked FW400 to the Sony M10 HDV Deck. Will this even
>> work? What are the FCP video output settings? I can't believe I
>> need to deliver on this format.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> KEN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: [FCP-L] Re: Media Manager question (FCP 7)

Hi Mark,

I misspoke. I said compressing when really what I meant was scaling as
opposed to cropping the video. I do know what actual compression is. Of
course, for this project even media managing to 8 bit uncompressed would
reduce file size by about 25%. But I do believe that they would benefit from
even greater economie of disk usage.

As I mentioned, this is a new client with a new edit system. Going forward I
am going to have them change their workflow, however, I need to get better
performance out of this system without asking them to start replacing a
bunch of hardware that they purchased in ignorance. Also their project was
set up by somebody that clearly had little experience with FCP. It's
unfortunate but that's the case. Of course, were that not the case, I
suppose they wouldn't have been looking for a new editor.

Kerry

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On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Mark <markraudonis@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> "Is there a way to get it to crop the six
> > lines of video instead of compressing the whole thing?"
>
> That won't help. Compressing does much more than change the frame size. It
> "throws out" picture information to create a much smaller file size. This is
> done within the frame and has little to do with the six lines of video".
>
> Be careful going down this road. If you're doing critical GRFX, this
> seemingly small frame size difference can turn out to be a huge problem when
> reconforming.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Mark
>
> --- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com <FinalCutPro-L%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Kerry Soloway <ksoloway@...> wrote:
> >
> > I was consulting with a new client today that has been editing a show on
> FCP
> > 7 having captured the video as 10 bit uncompressed. Their system and
> drives
> > are far too slow to edit uncompressed video, especially 10 bit, so I
> advised
> > them to start working at DV 50. I opened Media Manager and set it to
> > recompress the files to a new drive and create a new project when a
> window
> > popped up asking whether I wanted to keep the original pixel aspect ratio
> > and frame size or not. I cannot recall ever getting a message like then
> when
> > working on FCP 5 (where I have done a lot of media management) or FCP 6
> > where, frankly, I can't recall whether or not I ever used the Media
> Manager.
> > This was my first experience with FCP 7.
> >
> > What are the ramifications of each answer? If I answer "yes", will it
> > actually create a project where the compression is DV50 but with a frame
> > size of 720 x 486? I didn't think that DV codecs would work properly at
> that
> > image size. If I answer "no", is it going to simply scale the image to
> 480
> > pixels and recompress the media? Is there a way to get it to crop the six
> > lines of video instead of compressing the whole thing?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kerry
> >
> > -------------------
> > Kerry Soloway
> > http://www.NightingaleEditorial.com
> > 201-247-4110
> > ksoloway@...
> >
> > Fred Friendly Seminars' "Minds on the Edge: Facing Mental Illness" is
> airing
> > in October. "Consuelo Mack/WealthTrack" airs weekly. Both on PBS. Check
> > your local listings.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
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[FCP-L] Re: Media Manager question (FCP 7)

"Is there a way to get it to crop the six
> lines of video instead of compressing the whole thing?"

That won't help. Compressing does much more than change the frame size. It "throws out" picture information to create a much smaller file size. This is done within the frame and has little to do with the six lines of video".

Be careful going down this road. If you're doing critical GRFX, this seemingly small frame size difference can turn out to be a huge problem when reconforming.

Hope this helps.

Mark

--- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Kerry Soloway <ksoloway@...> wrote:
>
> I was consulting with a new client today that has been editing a show on FCP
> 7 having captured the video as 10 bit uncompressed. Their system and drives
> are far too slow to edit uncompressed video, especially 10 bit, so I advised
> them to start working at DV 50. I opened Media Manager and set it to
> recompress the files to a new drive and create a new project when a window
> popped up asking whether I wanted to keep the original pixel aspect ratio
> and frame size or not. I cannot recall ever getting a message like then when
> working on FCP 5 (where I have done a lot of media management) or FCP 6
> where, frankly, I can't recall whether or not I ever used the Media Manager.
> This was my first experience with FCP 7.
>
> What are the ramifications of each answer? If I answer "yes", will it
> actually create a project where the compression is DV50 but with a frame
> size of 720 x 486? I didn't think that DV codecs would work properly at that
> image size. If I answer "no", is it going to simply scale the image to 480
> pixels and recompress the media? Is there a way to get it to crop the six
> lines of video instead of compressing the whole thing?
>
> Thanks,
> Kerry
>
> -------------------
> Kerry Soloway
> http://www.NightingaleEditorial.com
> 201-247-4110
> ksoloway@...
>
> Fred Friendly Seminars' "Minds on the Edge: Facing Mental Illness" is airing
> in October. "Consuelo Mack/WealthTrack" airs weekly. Both on PBS. Check
> your local listings.
>
>
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Re: [FCP-L] how do I convert Microsoft DV AVI files to a Mac?

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