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I'm currently cutting at a shop that 95 % Avid, as part of a new project on FCP so this has been on my mind. I'm trained on Avid (MC version 4.5 I believe - I certainly have a clear memory of version 5 goodies arriving) but have worked primarily on FCP the last 5 years by happenstance and choice when given.
Anyway - I've learned a lot from reading Murch's books and various things his assistants and team post online. His editorial procedures really are wider than any particular edit software - and involve a lot of Filemaker and other structures. I'm sure he'll find something interesting to say in his chat as always, but I suspect somewhere in they he'll say something along the lines of "changing tools keeps you fresh...in many ways, it's great to be home with Avid again, though now I wish I could open multiple sequences as once..."
-Robert
--- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, "mhollis55" <mhollis55@...> wrote:
>
>
> I won't be there, but...
>
> The first nonlinear edit system I learned was the Avid Media Composer. I
> paid big bucks and took classes at Future Media Concepts in NYC. When
> Apple released Final Cut Pro (on System 8, I believe), I started
> noodling around with that system and learned Final Cut.
>
> I then took a job with a Nameless Broadcasting Company as a
> "Perma-Temp." I transitioned to a Grass Valley linear editor and cut
> news, which usually means no fancy effects. But, as I had come out of a
> post-production environment and had effects skills, I was placed in a
> "graphics production area," where we used some pretty antequated
> equipment to work miracles.
>
> Then that company decided to go digital. They bought a whole bunch of
> Grass Valley's Vibrint editors
> <http://www.digitalproducer.com/aHTM/Articles/03_27_00/grass_valley_to_a\
> cquire_vibrint.htm> , which I told one manager was an "M-II decision."
> The Vibrint (now called "NewsEdit") is certainly capable of editing news
> quickly in a fast-paced environment but the version I used could not
> take a hicon and make a key with it and had a really limited software
> DVE. Additionally, this company would have to train each and every one
> of their new hires to edit with the device, as it was not a standard
> editor and the two standards at the time were made by Avid and Apple.
>
> I notice that the Thompson-Grass Valley website
> <http://www.thomsongrassvalley.com/> does not list the NewsEdit in any
> of their offerings today. Last article I found seemed to indicate that
> the company dumped the NewsEdit system on South American broadcasters
> and left them holding the bag (this happens lots to South Americans).
>
> Apple's Final Cut Pro was a standard by virtue of their commitment to
> education. College graduates have had considerable time on Final Cut
> because the hardware and software are sold to educational institutions
> at a heavy discount and a complete setup is much cheaper than Avid's
> solution.
>
> The Nameless Broadcasting Company let go a number of their managers who
> "owned" the decision to buy the Vibrint and decided to standardize on
> Avid solutions. I re-learned the Media Composer (actually the
> Newscutter, which is an MC with a certain amount of goodies disabled)
> and then was told, since I did News Graphics, that I would have to learn
> the Avid DS in order to stay employed by the company (life as a
> "Perma-Temp").
>
> The company brought trainers in and trained everyone up on the Avid DS
> <http://www.avid.com/products/DS/> , which is about as different from
> the Media Composer (and Symphony) as you can get (it cannot even share
> media natively with the other Avid tools). The DS is an editor that can
> do compositing -- or it is a compositing application that can edit. It
> works as if you had Motion and Final Cut completely merged, with no need
> to export any material one to the other -- no "round trop" necessary --
> all the tools for both compositing and editing are built in.
>
> We got training and then we were given a little time to get up and
> running on the Avid DS. The learning curve is a little like climbing
> Mount Everest but if you understand digital compositing and you're a
> very good creative editor, you can get really fast on the Avid DS in
> about six months. I had about three and was a little slow off the mark
> but I had some really good assistance from an outside freelance editor
> the company brought in.
>
> I am presently editing on (gasp!) Adobe's Premiere Pro, but not for the
> aforementioned Nameless Broadcasting Company, which laid me off three
> years ago because they wanted to bring in a team from elsewhere and
> consolidate their staff. The company I am with will transition to Final
> Cut Studio in January or February. I'm buisily learning Motion and
> re-familiarizing myself with Final Cut Pro, which is a lot better
> application under OS X and runs with considerably more stability on a
> dual-quad core Mac Pro with plenty of system RAM. The biggest struggle I
> had with Final Cut before is that every time Apple upgraded Quicktime,
> upgraded the operating system or upgraded Final Cut, something broke.
> Apple's integrated releases seem to be either better timed or more
> considerate of the needs of people who use Final Cut Studio, though
> there is still no 64-bit Quicktime Pro in Snow Leopard (64-bit Quicktime
> is a player only).
>
> For compositing, I'm using Adobe's After Effects, which does a pretty
> good job, but cannot do some of the things I was doing with the Avid DS.
> But, to be fair, I'm using some pretty old software that is working on
> old hardware. I use a Dell XPS 600 with Premiere Pro 1.5 and After
> Effects 6.5. These applications are really not integrated, so a "round
> trip" with these applications is nowhere near as smooth as it is
> presently with Final Cut Studio (and probably is with the CS4 versions
> of Adobe's software).
>
> I am definitely looking forward to getting a Mac Pro in the office.
>
> So, as you can see, I've been editing professionally on a number of
> applications. And if it edits, I can confidently say I can use it.
> Transitioning from one to the other necessitates re-familiarization, but
> that takes about a day or so. But since lots of Final Cut editors don't
> know the Avid, it's probably a lot more scary to them.
>
>
>
>
> --- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Shane Ross <comeback@> wrote:
> >
> > I will too! But I'm more of am opening act.
> >
> > Shane
> >
> > Scent frum my iFone.
> >
> >
> > On Nov 12, 2009, at 6:58 PM, Jim Feeley jfeeley@ wrote:
> >
> > > If you care, he'll be talking about that next Weds in LA:
> > >
> > > ====
> > > 9:00PM - 9:50PM - "What's it like going from Avid to FCP and back to
> > > Avid?"
> > > - Walter Murch
> > >
> > > legendary film and sound editor Walter Murch returns to lafcpug to
> > > discuss
> > > "what is it like going from the Avid to FCP and back to the Avid."
> > > Walter
> > > has been editing with Final Cut Pro for several years after having
> > > used the
> > > Avid for several years. And now he is back on the Avid editing a
> > > movie here
> > > in Los Angeles. Mr. Murch will bring along his assistant editors
> Greg
> > > Thompson and Dave Cory for an assistant editor POV. There will be
> > > plenty of
> > > time for questions and discussion.
> > > ====
> > >
> > > More info here:
> > >
> > > http://www.lafcpug.org/user_schedule.html
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
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