Monday, October 19, 2009

[FCP-L] A bit OT: consumer cam with night vision?

 

For preparing wildlife videography production I need a cheap consumer
camcorder with built-in night vision. Some years ago this seemed to
be a standard function on most camcorders but newer models do not
always have it. Can someone recommend a current model, preferably
with (SD) memory card recording.

Rieni

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[FCP-L] Re: Sharpening filter

 

Thanks, Robin

I had thought I was doing the most sensible workflow for my SD DVD delivery (no tape layoff) - shoot HDV and edit in ProRes 422 PAL timeline.

You may have hit the nail on the head - use Color to sharpen. I hadn't considered this.

Cheers, Crispin

--- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, "Robin S. Kurz" <robin.kurz@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, I'm quite aware of the current, very unfortunate limitation, as I
> said. Although, unless you actually plan to go back to HDV tape, I
> don't understand your workflow. And even IF you are going back out to
> tape, using an ALL PRORES workflow with subsequent master transcoding,
> if needed, to HDV would still be a far easier route in my opinion.
> *Especially* if you need to do any type of grading. Mind you, filter
> settings to an *SD* clip will rarely EVER translate well to an HD
> clip, if that's what you plan to do.
>
> Outside of the actual tape, one should stay as long and far away as
> possible from native HDV in post.
>
> I have no comparison, but I highly doubt that anything mentionable has
> changed in any of the filters. Of course there's really no reason
> (even financially) NOT to upgrade to FCS3 either way, but surely not
> mid-project.
>
> From your chosen workflow I really don't see any optimal way of going
> about it, other than maybe finding a 3rd party for FCP, yes. Possibly
> Magic Bullet? And although worth it, it costs $399.00.
>
> Have you tried COLOR? The roundtripping should (ironcally) be better
> than Motion's for what you have and I think it's safe to say that IT'S
> sharpen is better than FCP's, if not in fact better than Motion's also.
>
> Either way, I'd say your first step is to go (and stay) *full-res
> ProRes*.
>
> cheers,
> RK
>
>
>
> On 19.10.2009, at 15:48, hllndc wrote:
>
> > Thanks for your replies, Robin
> >
> > The reason that I am asking is twofold:
> >
> > 1. As I am editing HDV 1080i50 in a ProRes 422 SD project I am
> > trying to ensure that any sharpening is done on the HDV file (rather
> > than a downsampled SD one).
> > 2. Also, Sending to Motion is not implemented properly in that not
> > only are any moves in the FCP motion tab lost, but also a clip is
> > only 'sent' to Motion WITHOUT any material inside dissolves, meaning
> > that all dissolves need to be removed prior to sending and then
> > rebuilt afterwards. Hence my desire to stay within FCP (especially
> > if FCP7 has a better Sharpening filter than FCP6 - someone must know
> > this). I have about 70 of these shots.
>

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Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sharpening filter

Yes, I'm quite aware of the current, very unfortunate limitation, as I
said. Although, unless you actually plan to go back to HDV tape, I
don't understand your workflow. And even IF you are going back out to
tape, using an ALL PRORES workflow with subsequent master transcoding,
if needed, to HDV would still be a far easier route in my opinion.
*Especially* if you need to do any type of grading. Mind you, filter
settings to an *SD* clip will rarely EVER translate well to an HD
clip, if that's what you plan to do.

Outside of the actual tape, one should stay as long and far away as
possible from native HDV in post.

I have no comparison, but I highly doubt that anything mentionable has
changed in any of the filters. Of course there's really no reason
(even financially) NOT to upgrade to FCS3 either way, but surely not
mid-project.

From your chosen workflow I really don't see any optimal way of going
about it, other than maybe finding a 3rd party for FCP, yes. Possibly
Magic Bullet? And although worth it, it costs $399.00.

Have you tried COLOR? The roundtripping should (ironcally) be better
than Motion's for what you have and I think it's safe to say that IT'S
sharpen is better than FCP's, if not in fact better than Motion's also.

Either way, I'd say your first step is to go (and stay) *full-res
ProRes*.

cheers,
RK

On 19.10.2009, at 15:48, hllndc wrote:

> Thanks for your replies, Robin
>
> The reason that I am asking is twofold:
>
> 1. As I am editing HDV 1080i50 in a ProRes 422 SD project I am
> trying to ensure that any sharpening is done on the HDV file (rather
> than a downsampled SD one).
> 2. Also, Sending to Motion is not implemented properly in that not
> only are any moves in the FCP motion tab lost, but also a clip is
> only 'sent' to Motion WITHOUT any material inside dissolves, meaning
> that all dissolves need to be removed prior to sending and then
> rebuilt afterwards. Hence my desire to stay within FCP (especially
> if FCP7 has a better Sharpening filter than FCP6 - someone must know
> this). I have about 70 of these shots.


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[FCP-L] Re: Sharpening filter

 

Thanks for your replies, Robin

The reason that I am asking is twofold:

1. As I am editing HDV 1080i50 in a ProRes 422 SD project I am trying to ensure that any sharpening is done on the HDV file (rather than a downsampled SD one).
2. Also, Sending to Motion is not implemented properly in that not only are any moves in the FCP motion tab lost, but also a clip is only 'sent' to Motion WITHOUT any material inside dissolves, meaning that all dissolves need to be removed prior to sending and then rebuilt afterwards. Hence my desire to stay within FCP (especially if FCP7 has a better Sharpening filter than FCP6 - someone must know this). I have about 70 of these shots.

Thanks, Crispin
----------------------------------------------------------
Crispin Holland, Director, CrispTV Ltd - www.crisptv.co.uk - 07711 069 100

--- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, "Robin S. Kurz" <robin.kurz@...> wrote:
>
>
> On 19.10.2009, at 12:26, hllndc wrote:
>
> > I'd like to avoid going into Apple Motion as it complicates things
> > as I've tried 'Send To' from FCP to Motion and you need to re-do all
> > the moves & presumably lose some precious resolution (and more
> > focus)...
>
> And no, there is NO resolution loss or the likes. Also, animating in
> Motion is far superior and controllable, so that also doesn't in fact
> pose any type of disadvantage. If push comes to shove, and you don't
> care to learn the (I'm assuming) basics of animation in Motion, you
> could always render out the animated clips and sharpen *them*.
> Depending on the codec used, it's highly unlikely that you should
> notice any generation loss due to the *one* additional reencode.
> Unless you're using Cinepak or the likes.
>
> - RK
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sharpening filter

On 19.10.2009, at 12:26, hllndc wrote:

> I'd like to avoid going into Apple Motion as it complicates things
> as I've tried 'Send To' from FCP to Motion and you need to re-do all
> the moves & presumably lose some precious resolution (and more
> focus)...

And no, there is NO resolution loss or the likes. Also, animating in
Motion is far superior and controllable, so that also doesn't in fact
pose any type of disadvantage. If push comes to shove, and you don't
care to learn the (I'm assuming) basics of animation in Motion, you
could always render out the animated clips and sharpen *them*.
Depending on the codec used, it's highly unlikely that you should
notice any generation loss due to the *one* additional reencode.
Unless you're using Cinepak or the likes.

- RK

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Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sharpening filter

 

Sure. Right-click the clip(s), Send to -> Motion Project, make changes
in Motion, Save, return to FCP, et violá.

And no, other than SmoothCam, Motion does not (yet) understand filters
(or transitions for that matter) applied in FCP, nor are they
interchangeable.

- RK

On 19.10.2009, at 12:26, hllndc wrote:

> OK don't all rush at once... does anyone know if FCP7 has direct
> access to the (I think, better) Motion sharpening filter?
>
> Thanks...

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[FCP-L] Re: Sharpening filter

 

OK don't all rush at once... does anyone know if FCP7 has direct access to the (I think, better) Motion sharpening filter?

Thanks...

--- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, "hllndc" <crispinholland@...> wrote:
>
> I'm editing a multicamera shoot - shot HDV1080i50 - in an Apple Prores422 SD timeline for SD delivery. The cameras were mostly static and I'm using the Motion tab to put in gentle moves in the edit, which is great because you can zoom in almost 100 per cent without losing resolution.
>
> However, one camera is off focus throughout. I am hoping to sharpen just that camera. I only have FCS - no extra software. Do any of you know:
>
> 1. Is the sharpening filter in FCP as good as Apple Motion's?
> 2. Is there a FREE filter (or almost free) that's better?
> 3. Does FCP7 (which I'm going to upgrade to at some stage have a better sharpening filter?
>
> I'm obviously trying to avoid noise to try to match the other cameras.
>
> I'd like to avoid going into Apple Motion as it complicates things as I've tried 'Send To' from FCP to Motion and you need to re-do all the moves & presumably lose some precious resolution (and more focus)...
>
> Thanks for your help, Crispin.
> ----------------------------------------------------------
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Saturday, October 17, 2009

Re: [FCP-L] FCP 6 Exam.

 

That depends on the actual question i.e. which tool or function is
pertained to!

- RK

On 17.10.2009, at 21:25, latifa wrote:

> Hello evryone,
> For who ever took FCP 6 test exam for certification, there was a
> question about AB roll that I didn't do good in it, I just want to
> know what Topic I need to review for that question, please advice.
> Thanks.
> Latifa.

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Re: [FCP-L] .dss unix video file format?

 

Hi David,

The Olympus player is for Digital Speech Standard (DSS).

The files I have are a .dss Unix video format (from AverMedia
surveillance cameras). They are 100's of MBytes in size.

Thanks though,

James

On Oct 17, 2009, at 4:27 PM, studiodave wrote:

> Olympus has a Mac DSS file player and converter that converts to aiff.
> It is used for their digital recorders and I have it. If you have a
> small (emailable) file that you would like me to try for you you can
> send it to me off list of course.
>
> studiodave
> David Wilson
> 626 303-6275
> S. I. Studio
> www.sistudio.net
>
> On Oct 17, 2009, at 2:15 PM, James Culbertson wrote:
>
> > Finally figured out that the .dss files come from an AverMedia
> > surveillance device. I was able to get dss2avi to transcode it. But
> > the only output codec for that app is Indeo 5.1. Fortunately this
> > still works on Windows XP. And the result plays in Windows Media
> > Player (which has not way of exporting to a useable codec for FCP).
> > But no other app I have found so far (like ConvertAVItoMP4) is
> able to
> > deal with the resulting AVI files. It might be a proprietary version
> > of Indeo that is the problem. I may never know.
> >
> > If anyone can think of an app on Windows that might work here let me
> > know. Premiere works on Windows, but I am not going to purchase
> > Premiere for Windows.
> >
> > For all of Quicktime's issues we could be in a lot worse shape.
> >
> > Thanks much, James
> >
> > On Oct 16, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Steve Hullfish wrote:
> >
> > > It may require a forensic video software plug-in.
> > >
> > > There's one for the Avid called dTective, that allows it to
> capture
> > > those multi-plexed security camera videos and split the multi-
> plexed
> > > video into individual streams. It's by Ocean Systems. Maybe they
> > have
> > > a Mac/FCP version.
> > >
> > > On Oct 16, 2009, at 6:55 PM, James Culbertson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Google is letting me down here.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone heard of a unix video file format -- .dss -- coming
> from a
> > > > security camera system.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Re: [FCP-L] .dss unix video file format?

 

I should have read farther down what I mentioned is for audio only.

studiodave
David Wilson
626 303-6275
S. I. Studio
www.sistudio.net

On Oct 17, 2009, at 4:27 PM, studiodave wrote:

> Olympus has a Mac DSS file player and converter that converts to aiff.
> It is used for their digital recorders and I have it. If you have a
> small (emailable) file that you would like me to try for you you can
> send it to me off list of course.
>
> studiodave
> David Wilson
> 626 303-6275
> S. I. Studio
> www.sistudio.net
>
> On Oct 17, 2009, at 2:15 PM, James Culbertson wrote:
>
> > Finally figured out that the .dss files come from an AverMedia
> > surveillance device. I was able to get dss2avi to transcode it. But
> > the only output codec for that app is Indeo 5.1. Fortunately this
> > still works on Windows XP. And the result plays in Windows Media
> > Player (which has not way of exporting to a useable codec for FCP).
> > But no other app I have found so far (like ConvertAVItoMP4) is
> able to
> > deal with the resulting AVI files. It might be a proprietary version
> > of Indeo that is the problem. I may never know.
> >
> > If anyone can think of an app on Windows that might work here let me
> > know. Premiere works on Windows, but I am not going to purchase
> > Premiere for Windows.
> >
> > For all of Quicktime's issues we could be in a lot worse shape.
> >
> > Thanks much, James
> >
> > On Oct 16, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Steve Hullfish wrote:
> >
> > > It may require a forensic video software plug-in.
> > >
> > > There's one for the Avid called dTective, that allows it to
> capture
> > > those multi-plexed security camera videos and split the multi-
> plexed
> > > video into individual streams. It's by Ocean Systems. Maybe they
> > have
> > > a Mac/FCP version.
> > >
> > > On Oct 16, 2009, at 6:55 PM, James Culbertson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Google is letting me down here.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone heard of a unix video file format -- .dss -- coming
> from a
> > > > security camera system.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Re: [FCP-L] .dss unix video file format?

 

Olympus has a Mac DSS file player and converter that converts to aiff.
It is used for their digital recorders and I have it. If you have a
small (emailable) file that you would like me to try for you you can
send it to me off list of course.

studiodave
David Wilson
626 303-6275
S. I. Studio
www.sistudio.net

On Oct 17, 2009, at 2:15 PM, James Culbertson wrote:

> Finally figured out that the .dss files come from an AverMedia
> surveillance device. I was able to get dss2avi to transcode it. But
> the only output codec for that app is Indeo 5.1. Fortunately this
> still works on Windows XP. And the result plays in Windows Media
> Player (which has not way of exporting to a useable codec for FCP).
> But no other app I have found so far (like ConvertAVItoMP4) is able to
> deal with the resulting AVI files. It might be a proprietary version
> of Indeo that is the problem. I may never know.
>
> If anyone can think of an app on Windows that might work here let me
> know. Premiere works on Windows, but I am not going to purchase
> Premiere for Windows.
>
> For all of Quicktime's issues we could be in a lot worse shape.
>
> Thanks much, James
>
> On Oct 16, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Steve Hullfish wrote:
>
> > It may require a forensic video software plug-in.
> >
> > There's one for the Avid called dTective, that allows it to capture
> > those multi-plexed security camera videos and split the multi-plexed
> > video into individual streams. It's by Ocean Systems. Maybe they
> have
> > a Mac/FCP version.
> >
> > On Oct 16, 2009, at 6:55 PM, James Culbertson wrote:
> >
> > > Google is letting me down here.
> > >
> > > Anyone heard of a unix video file format -- .dss -- coming from a
> > > security camera system.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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