FCP-L: Re: [FCP-L] Re: HDV Question

Yeah, but not THAT compressed...

On Oct 26, 2009, at 10:59 AM, John Kilgour wrote:

> Watch: all the smart-asses are going to chime-in that, "well,
> Digibeta IS compressed.."
>
> On Oct 26, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Shane Ross wrote:
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> > Well, I guess I am used to color correcting digibeta captured as 1:1
> > or Uncompressed, and DVCPRO HD, and HDCAM SR...so much more latitude
> > with those that when I get to HDV I feel like I have one hand tied
> > behind my back. ANd no, it doesn't help that the DPs shoot with the
> > odd 15fps shutter and REALLY shoot blue for night scenes.
> >
> > And no, the camera tech is not as important as story. But when I see
> > horrid breakup like that, a LOT, and networks bitched about beta
> hits
> > which were not nearly as bad...and the networks sees these and gives
> > them a pass? Well... seems odd.
> >
> > But true...when the story is good, who cares what it was shot on?
> > DEADLIEST CATCH seems to make it work. But that always looks like
> > home video. Except for the shots of the boats on the water...but
> that
> > isn't HDV either. Only the footage from the boats. And
> > SURVIVORMAN...again, looks like a home movie. Then we have Crank 2
> > (that I haven't seen)... so who's to say?
> >
> > I just know that of all the formats I have worked with, this is the
> > worse of the HD bunch... like DV is to SD.
> >
> > -shane
> >
> > On Oct 26, 2009, at 8:00 AM, Patrick Inhofer wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Oct 23, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Shane Ross wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yeah, I am paid. But to COLOR CORRECT that footage. Very little
> > > > latitude...can't do too much. Even when it is ProRes.
> > >
> > > Shane,
> > >
> > > It's interesting - I've CCed a few series shot on HDV, including
> an
> > > ABC prime time reality-type documentary ("Hopkins").
> > >
> > > I've found HDV to be remarkably robust. Much more latitude than
> > DV. I
> > > used to cringe when I'd hear an incoming project is HDV. No more.
> > I've
> > > become a big believer in: "It's not the format, it's the shooter."
> > >
> > > I think what you're running up against is either a poor camera
> > > implementation of HDV or this 15fps crap is utterly defeating the
> > > codec. It's already long-GOP, now you're either reducing the
> > frequency
> > > of the GOP or introducing blurs that are particularly nasty for
> any
> > > long GOP scheme to properly encode.
> > >
> > > It doesn't trouble me so much that Discovery considers it
> > acceptable -
> > > since all they care about is a good story that draws eyeballs.
> It's
> > > the producers and shooters who don't care enough about the quality
> > of
> > > their images that bothers me. While the audience may never glom
> onto
> > > what exactly is wrong with the image - their peers will.
> > >
> > > Oh well - such is the age of You Tube. One day, quality will count
> > > again. Let's just hope it doesn't last as long as this Bear
> Market.
> > >
> > > - pi
> > >
> > > - -
> > > Patrick inhofer
> > > Finisher-in-Chief
> > > Fini
> > > http://fini.tv/demo.html
> > >
> > >
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