Re: [FCP-L] AJA QTtoDPX and FCP don't agree

So, in FCP I got under the File menu to Log and Capture. I enter for
a start TC 00:01:00:00. For an end TC I enter 00:01:01:00. I capture
the clip. In FCP when I load the clip in the viewer that is the exact
frame range displayed. When I reveal file in Finder I open the .mov
file in QTpro. The frame range is exactly what I expect.
00:01:00:00 thru 00:01:01:00. Then I load that same .mov file into
AJA QTtoDPX and Translate it to a DPX sequence it makes 47 frames (one
I did earlier was 48, but this one ended up being 47). When I open
the first DPX file the burn-in is 00:00:59:21. The last frame has the
burn-in TC 00:01:01:19. I don't get it.

The source tape is HDSR 1080psf 23.976 4:4:4 RGB. The codec used in
FCP is AJA KONA 3- 1080psf 23.98 DL 10-bit Uncompressed Log RGB. TC
convert on the deck is set to Line.

Jay

On Nov 15, 2009, at 9:27 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:

> Perhaps I'm not understanding what you mean by logged. If I start
> with a QT movie that has frames numbered 1 to 25 how can I end up
> with a conversion that has numbers beyond 25? Where are the handles
> coming from? If you see the number 26 where did it come from? I
> guess by logged you must be selecting a portion of a QT that has
> more frames.
>
> --- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Jay Mahavier
> <jay_mahavier@...> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, the burn-in is beyond what is logged. I log a clip that is 25
>> frames long. FCP and QTpro display it as a 25 frame file that's
>> starts and ends on the expected frames. But when it's opened in
>> QTtoDPX and extracted to frames it is 48 frames long. No frames are
>> repeated. Each one is really really there. Every captured files has
>> 1 to 3 frames on the head and 22 or 23 frames on the tail added
>> beyond
>> what is logged.
>>
>> Now this is all in a 23.976 FCP project. Actually more than one. I
>> have not tried any of these test in projects at different frame
>> rates. Maybe I'll try that tomorrow. But this is jacked up that I
>> can't just capture what I logged.
>>
>> Jay
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2009, at 7:01 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:
>>
>>> If you start with 25 frames with burned in time code and now have 48
>>> frames are the numbers in the burn in beyond the original 25 frame
>>> limits of start and stop. I really don't see how that could happen
>>> if your original clip only had 25 frames. Are the DPX frames coming
>>> from different fields? Just typing out loud here.
>>>
>>> --- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Jay Mahavier
>>> <jay_mahavier@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As an example. I have a clip that I logged as 1:01, I keep
>>>> forgetting
>>>> that FCP is outpoint inclusive. In the FCP bin it shows as
>>>> 1:01. In
>>>> the Viewer it shows as 1:01 and if I switch to frames it shows as
>>>> 25.
>>>> If I move through the clip one frame at a time I count 25
>>>> frames. If
>>>> I reveal in finder and open that in QTpro it shows as 1:02
>>>> because QT
>>>> tends to be sloppy, but close enough. If I move through the clip
>>>> in
>>>> QTpro one frame at a time I count 25 frames. I then open that file
>>>> in
>>>> QTtoDPX and it list it as 48 frames long. ?????? I then Translate
>>>> that to a file sequence and sure enough it makes 48 frames of
>>>> picture. No frames are duplicated. I know this because I used the
>>>> monitor out jacks on the deck so I have a TC burn.
>>>>
>>>> I had noticed this all sometime back and really didn't care at the
>>>> time, but now we are trying to use the system to capture material
>>>> for
>>>> a VFX company. They really don't like having to roto and animate
>>>> on
>>>> more frames then required. And it also bumps the cost up a bit.
>>>> So I
>>>> would really like to figure out why the system is doing this.
>>>>
>>>> FCP 6.0.5
>>>> QT 7.6
>>>> OSX 10.5.5
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jay
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 15, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Rainer Standke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When you run into frame rate or duration issues, it's always
>>>>> worthwhile to run the clip through Cinema Tool. Conform it to some
>>>>> frame rate, and back to the frame rate you need.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you tried cleaning up long frames? Tools/Long Frames.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, when you switch the FCP TC displays to frames, do you see
>>>>> the
>>>>> expected numbers?
>>>>>
>>>>> This issue seems to point to QuickTime as the culprit. Are you
>>>>> certain
>>>>> that OS, QT and FCP are all in versions that work together?
>>>>>
>>>>> Rainer Standke
>>>>> XMiL Workflow Tools
>>>>> http://www.xmil.biz
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 15, 2009, at 9:39 , Jay Mahavier wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> When you selectively read just the section that will fit your
>>>>>> reasoning it may seem that way. But upon further reading of the
>>>>>> entire post you realize that regardless of the duration of the
>>>>>> shot
>>>>>> that 1 to 3 frames are added to the head of the shot and 22 or 23
>>>>>> frames are added to the tail. FCP and QTpro both report the
>>>>>> length
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> expected and logged, but when extracting to a file sequence the
>>>>>> number
>>>>>> of frame is consistently wrong by anywhere from 23 to 26 frames.
>>>>>> Weather the logged shot is 1sec, 5 sec, 10 sec, 2 min, 3:12,
>>>>>> 3:12:14,
>>>>>> or any other length of shot tried.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jay
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2009, at 2:39 AM, Karl Newman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Jay Mahavier wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I capture 4:01 that's 4 seconds and 1 frame from a tape. FCP
>>>>>>> reports
>>>>>>> it as 4:01. QTPro reports it as 4:01. That should be 97
>>>>>>> frames. I
>>>>>>> run it through AJA QT to DPX and I get 120 frames out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Something is converting it to 29.97.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Karl Newman
>>>>>>> Karl Newman Productions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> kwnewman@
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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