Re: [FCP-L] AJA QTtoDPX and FCP don't agree

Yes, the burn-in is beyond what is logged. I log a clip that is 25
frames long. FCP and QTpro display it as a 25 frame file that's
starts and ends on the expected frames. But when it's opened in
QTtoDPX and extracted to frames it is 48 frames long. No frames are
repeated. Each one is really really there. Every captured files has
1 to 3 frames on the head and 22 or 23 frames on the tail added beyond
what is logged.

Now this is all in a 23.976 FCP project. Actually more than one. I
have not tried any of these test in projects at different frame
rates. Maybe I'll try that tomorrow. But this is jacked up that I
can't just capture what I logged.

Jay

On Nov 15, 2009, at 7:01 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:

> If you start with 25 frames with burned in time code and now have 48
> frames are the numbers in the burn in beyond the original 25 frame
> limits of start and stop. I really don't see how that could happen
> if your original clip only had 25 frames. Are the DPX frames coming
> from different fields? Just typing out loud here.
>
> --- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Jay Mahavier
> <jay_mahavier@...> wrote:
>>
>> As an example. I have a clip that I logged as 1:01, I keep
>> forgetting
>> that FCP is outpoint inclusive. In the FCP bin it shows as 1:01. In
>> the Viewer it shows as 1:01 and if I switch to frames it shows as 25.
>> If I move through the clip one frame at a time I count 25 frames. If
>> I reveal in finder and open that in QTpro it shows as 1:02 because QT
>> tends to be sloppy, but close enough. If I move through the clip in
>> QTpro one frame at a time I count 25 frames. I then open that file
>> in
>> QTtoDPX and it list it as 48 frames long. ?????? I then Translate
>> that to a file sequence and sure enough it makes 48 frames of
>> picture. No frames are duplicated. I know this because I used the
>> monitor out jacks on the deck so I have a TC burn.
>>
>> I had noticed this all sometime back and really didn't care at the
>> time, but now we are trying to use the system to capture material for
>> a VFX company. They really don't like having to roto and animate on
>> more frames then required. And it also bumps the cost up a bit.
>> So I
>> would really like to figure out why the system is doing this.
>>
>> FCP 6.0.5
>> QT 7.6
>> OSX 10.5.5
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jay
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Rainer Standke wrote:
>>
>>> When you run into frame rate or duration issues, it's always
>>> worthwhile to run the clip through Cinema Tool. Conform it to some
>>> frame rate, and back to the frame rate you need.
>>>
>>> Have you tried cleaning up long frames? Tools/Long Frames.
>>>
>>> Also, when you switch the FCP TC displays to frames, do you see the
>>> expected numbers?
>>>
>>> This issue seems to point to QuickTime as the culprit. Are you
>>> certain
>>> that OS, QT and FCP are all in versions that work together?
>>>
>>> Rainer Standke
>>> XMiL Workflow Tools
>>> http://www.xmil.biz
>>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2009, at 9:39 , Jay Mahavier wrote:
>>>
>>>> When you selectively read just the section that will fit your
>>>> reasoning it may seem that way. But upon further reading of the
>>>> entire post you realize that regardless of the duration of the shot
>>>> that 1 to 3 frames are added to the head of the shot and 22 or 23
>>>> frames are added to the tail. FCP and QTpro both report the length
>>>> as
>>>> expected and logged, but when extracting to a file sequence the
>>>> number
>>>> of frame is consistently wrong by anywhere from 23 to 26 frames.
>>>> Weather the logged shot is 1sec, 5 sec, 10 sec, 2 min, 3:12,
>>>> 3:12:14,
>>>> or any other length of shot tried.
>>>>
>>>> Jay
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 15, 2009, at 2:39 AM, Karl Newman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Jay Mahavier wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I capture 4:01 that's 4 seconds and 1 frame from a tape. FCP
>>>>> reports
>>>>> it as 4:01. QTPro reports it as 4:01. That should be 97 frames. I
>>>>> run it through AJA QT to DPX and I get 120 frames out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Something is converting it to 29.97.
>>>>>
>>>>> Karl Newman
>>>>> Karl Newman Productions
>>>>>
>>>>> kwnewman@...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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