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--- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Jay Mahavier <jay_mahavier@...> wrote:
>
> So, in FCP I got under the File menu to Log and Capture. I enter for
> a start TC 00:01:00:00. For an end TC I enter 00:01:01:00. I capture
> the clip. In FCP when I load the clip in the viewer that is the exact
> frame range displayed. When I reveal file in Finder I open the .mov
> file in QTpro. The frame range is exactly what I expect.
> 00:01:00:00 thru 00:01:01:00. Then I load that same .mov file into
> AJA QTtoDPX and Translate it to a DPX sequence it makes 47 frames (one
> I did earlier was 48, but this one ended up being 47). When I open
> the first DPX file the burn-in is 00:00:59:21. The last frame has the
> burn-in TC 00:01:01:19. I don't get it.
>
> The source tape is HDSR 1080psf 23.976 4:4:4 RGB. The codec used in
> FCP is AJA KONA 3- 1080psf 23.98 DL 10-bit Uncompressed Log RGB. TC
> convert on the deck is set to Line.
>
> Jay
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2009, at 9:27 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:
>
> > Perhaps I'm not understanding what you mean by logged. If I start
> > with a QT movie that has frames numbered 1 to 25 how can I end up
> > with a conversion that has numbers beyond 25? Where are the handles
> > coming from? If you see the number 26 where did it come from? I
> > guess by logged you must be selecting a portion of a QT that has
> > more frames.
> >
> > --- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Jay Mahavier
> > <jay_mahavier@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, the burn-in is beyond what is logged. I log a clip that is 25
> >> frames long. FCP and QTpro display it as a 25 frame file that's
> >> starts and ends on the expected frames. But when it's opened in
> >> QTtoDPX and extracted to frames it is 48 frames long. No frames are
> >> repeated. Each one is really really there. Every captured files has
> >> 1 to 3 frames on the head and 22 or 23 frames on the tail added
> >> beyond
> >> what is logged.
> >>
> >> Now this is all in a 23.976 FCP project. Actually more than one. I
> >> have not tried any of these test in projects at different frame
> >> rates. Maybe I'll try that tomorrow. But this is jacked up that I
> >> can't just capture what I logged.
> >>
> >> Jay
> >>
> >> On Nov 15, 2009, at 7:01 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:
> >>
> >>> If you start with 25 frames with burned in time code and now have 48
> >>> frames are the numbers in the burn in beyond the original 25 frame
> >>> limits of start and stop. I really don't see how that could happen
> >>> if your original clip only had 25 frames. Are the DPX frames coming
> >>> from different fields? Just typing out loud here.
> >>>
> >>> --- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Jay Mahavier
> >>> <jay_mahavier@> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> As an example. I have a clip that I logged as 1:01, I keep
> >>>> forgetting
> >>>> that FCP is outpoint inclusive. In the FCP bin it shows as
> >>>> 1:01. In
> >>>> the Viewer it shows as 1:01 and if I switch to frames it shows as
> >>>> 25.
> >>>> If I move through the clip one frame at a time I count 25
> >>>> frames. If
> >>>> I reveal in finder and open that in QTpro it shows as 1:02
> >>>> because QT
> >>>> tends to be sloppy, but close enough. If I move through the clip
> >>>> in
> >>>> QTpro one frame at a time I count 25 frames. I then open that file
> >>>> in
> >>>> QTtoDPX and it list it as 48 frames long. ?????? I then Translate
> >>>> that to a file sequence and sure enough it makes 48 frames of
> >>>> picture. No frames are duplicated. I know this because I used the
> >>>> monitor out jacks on the deck so I have a TC burn.
> >>>>
> >>>> I had noticed this all sometime back and really didn't care at the
> >>>> time, but now we are trying to use the system to capture material
> >>>> for
> >>>> a VFX company. They really don't like having to roto and animate
> >>>> on
> >>>> more frames then required. And it also bumps the cost up a bit.
> >>>> So I
> >>>> would really like to figure out why the system is doing this.
> >>>>
> >>>> FCP 6.0.5
> >>>> QT 7.6
> >>>> OSX 10.5.5
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Jay
> >>>>
> >>>> On Nov 15, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Rainer Standke wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> When you run into frame rate or duration issues, it's always
> >>>>> worthwhile to run the clip through Cinema Tool. Conform it to some
> >>>>> frame rate, and back to the frame rate you need.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Have you tried cleaning up long frames? Tools/Long Frames.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also, when you switch the FCP TC displays to frames, do you see
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> expected numbers?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This issue seems to point to QuickTime as the culprit. Are you
> >>>>> certain
> >>>>> that OS, QT and FCP are all in versions that work together?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rainer Standke
> >>>>> XMiL Workflow Tools
> >>>>> http://www.xmil.biz
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Nov 15, 2009, at 9:39 , Jay Mahavier wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> When you selectively read just the section that will fit your
> >>>>>> reasoning it may seem that way. But upon further reading of the
> >>>>>> entire post you realize that regardless of the duration of the
> >>>>>> shot
> >>>>>> that 1 to 3 frames are added to the head of the shot and 22 or 23
> >>>>>> frames are added to the tail. FCP and QTpro both report the
> >>>>>> length
> >>>>>> as
> >>>>>> expected and logged, but when extracting to a file sequence the
> >>>>>> number
> >>>>>> of frame is consistently wrong by anywhere from 23 to 26 frames.
> >>>>>> Weather the logged shot is 1sec, 5 sec, 10 sec, 2 min, 3:12,
> >>>>>> 3:12:14,
> >>>>>> or any other length of shot tried.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jay
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Nov 15, 2009, at 2:39 AM, Karl Newman wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Jay Mahavier wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I capture 4:01 that's 4 seconds and 1 frame from a tape. FCP
> >>>>>>> reports
> >>>>>>> it as 4:01. QTPro reports it as 4:01. That should be 97
> >>>>>>> frames. I
> >>>>>>> run it through AJA QT to DPX and I get 120 frames out.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Something is converting it to 29.97.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Karl Newman
> >>>>>>> Karl Newman Productions
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> kwnewman@
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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