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--- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Jay Mahavier <jay_mahavier@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, the burn-in is beyond what is logged. I log a clip that is 25
> frames long. FCP and QTpro display it as a 25 frame file that's
> starts and ends on the expected frames. But when it's opened in
> QTtoDPX and extracted to frames it is 48 frames long. No frames are
> repeated. Each one is really really there. Every captured files has
> 1 to 3 frames on the head and 22 or 23 frames on the tail added beyond
> what is logged.
>
> Now this is all in a 23.976 FCP project. Actually more than one. I
> have not tried any of these test in projects at different frame
> rates. Maybe I'll try that tomorrow. But this is jacked up that I
> can't just capture what I logged.
>
> Jay
>
> On Nov 15, 2009, at 7:01 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:
>
> > If you start with 25 frames with burned in time code and now have 48
> > frames are the numbers in the burn in beyond the original 25 frame
> > limits of start and stop. I really don't see how that could happen
> > if your original clip only had 25 frames. Are the DPX frames coming
> > from different fields? Just typing out loud here.
> >
> > --- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Jay Mahavier
> > <jay_mahavier@> wrote:
> >>
> >> As an example. I have a clip that I logged as 1:01, I keep
> >> forgetting
> >> that FCP is outpoint inclusive. In the FCP bin it shows as 1:01. In
> >> the Viewer it shows as 1:01 and if I switch to frames it shows as 25.
> >> If I move through the clip one frame at a time I count 25 frames. If
> >> I reveal in finder and open that in QTpro it shows as 1:02 because QT
> >> tends to be sloppy, but close enough. If I move through the clip in
> >> QTpro one frame at a time I count 25 frames. I then open that file
> >> in
> >> QTtoDPX and it list it as 48 frames long. ?????? I then Translate
> >> that to a file sequence and sure enough it makes 48 frames of
> >> picture. No frames are duplicated. I know this because I used the
> >> monitor out jacks on the deck so I have a TC burn.
> >>
> >> I had noticed this all sometime back and really didn't care at the
> >> time, but now we are trying to use the system to capture material for
> >> a VFX company. They really don't like having to roto and animate on
> >> more frames then required. And it also bumps the cost up a bit.
> >> So I
> >> would really like to figure out why the system is doing this.
> >>
> >> FCP 6.0.5
> >> QT 7.6
> >> OSX 10.5.5
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Jay
> >>
> >> On Nov 15, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Rainer Standke wrote:
> >>
> >>> When you run into frame rate or duration issues, it's always
> >>> worthwhile to run the clip through Cinema Tool. Conform it to some
> >>> frame rate, and back to the frame rate you need.
> >>>
> >>> Have you tried cleaning up long frames? Tools/Long Frames.
> >>>
> >>> Also, when you switch the FCP TC displays to frames, do you see the
> >>> expected numbers?
> >>>
> >>> This issue seems to point to QuickTime as the culprit. Are you
> >>> certain
> >>> that OS, QT and FCP are all in versions that work together?
> >>>
> >>> Rainer Standke
> >>> XMiL Workflow Tools
> >>> http://www.xmil.biz
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 15, 2009, at 9:39 , Jay Mahavier wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> When you selectively read just the section that will fit your
> >>>> reasoning it may seem that way. But upon further reading of the
> >>>> entire post you realize that regardless of the duration of the shot
> >>>> that 1 to 3 frames are added to the head of the shot and 22 or 23
> >>>> frames are added to the tail. FCP and QTpro both report the length
> >>>> as
> >>>> expected and logged, but when extracting to a file sequence the
> >>>> number
> >>>> of frame is consistently wrong by anywhere from 23 to 26 frames.
> >>>> Weather the logged shot is 1sec, 5 sec, 10 sec, 2 min, 3:12,
> >>>> 3:12:14,
> >>>> or any other length of shot tried.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jay
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Nov 15, 2009, at 2:39 AM, Karl Newman wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Jay Mahavier wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I capture 4:01 that's 4 seconds and 1 frame from a tape. FCP
> >>>>> reports
> >>>>> it as 4:01. QTPro reports it as 4:01. That should be 97 frames. I
> >>>>> run it through AJA QT to DPX and I get 120 frames out.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Something is converting it to 29.97.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Karl Newman
> >>>>> Karl Newman Productions
> >>>>>
> >>>>> kwnewman@
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