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Richard Mills
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Phoenix, AZ
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On Dec 11, 2009, at 1:53 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:
> Small world I inherited some of those Sony 910 bays when I was an
> editor/post supervisor on the Dom Deluise version of Candid Camera
> in the early 90's. First thing I did was get Calloway edit
> controlers to replace the 910's. The LA Unitel facility took care
> of the maintenance. Nothing like a good hicon reel for wacky wipes
> my favorite was the school of fish. Create the body with an oval,
> tail with a wedge wipe, modulate the wedge to get tail swimming
> motion. Add an eye if you dare. A-53 multipix with warp for wavey
> motion and slide the school in source space to move them accross
> the screen. Damn I think I'm breaking out in tears. Where's a good
> fish wipe when you need one today?
>
> --- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, "mhollis55" <mhollis55@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > John, we must be the old foagies here.
> >
> > The first real 3D page turn I used was the Abekas A53D, which I
> used at Inside Edition. We also used it to do box turns and other
> transitions, as well as key effects and certain posterize, polarize
> effects. But I blew away the other editors at Inside when I used a
> 3/4" machine, rolling in tandem (on a Sony 910 editor) to generate
> really fancy wipes (that I had a friend lay off for me, white to
> black, then reverse from a GVG 200 switcher) using the keyer on a
> Grass 110 switcher. These additional wipes really impressed my co-
> workers, as they thought I was using the Abekas to do that.
> >
> > One of my favorite moves was to do a stretch transition,
> stretching a frame longitudinally or vertically as I pushed the
> video to the incoming picture. I invented that move (for the
> workgroup I was in) on the Abekas. I saw my transition ideas
> repeated there for years after I left.
> >
> > I then learned the ADO which did need some really odd numbers in
> order to do a page turn. Happily, those who developed the page turn
> didn't think that they needed anyone to actually pay for their work
> and the disk with the effect tended to come with the ADO. The next
> digital effect box I used was the Grass Valley Kaleidoscope which
> was horrendously expensive. It would do a 3D page peel with a front
> and a back and a shadow if there were enough channels. Each channel
> of Kaleidoscope cost a quarter million dollars, so to make a cube
> in one pass (desirable in the day of the analog 1" machine with no
> pre-read) one had to drop at least $1.25 million (an additional
> quarter million for a "combiner").
> >
> > Edit rooms were "á la carte." Generally you'd get 3 VTRs at the
> room rate, and then an extra $100 per hour was charged for each
> channel of digital effects, each machine added and, perhaps an
> additional $75 per hour for character generation. The highest
> hourly rate I billed was $1275.00, which I did for three weeks of
> eight-hour days. My employer was very, very happy, as that client
> literally paid for another digital effect device.
> >
> > Today, we look at render time. And we grumble when effects take a
> long time to render. Back in the linear world, everything was real
> time, so when you laid it down to tape, it was done. Rendered. And
> you could look at the full effect as you were building layers (I
> suppose that kind of workflow is available in Motion these days, as
> you can add effects while you are rolling through your timeline,
> but VTRs never dropped frames).
> >
> > But, when you think about it, everything done to video is a
> "digital effect" nowadays. A dissolve is a digitally-produced
> transition on a pixel-by-pixel level. Switchers did that by using a
> key ramp from one source to another, controlled by a timed
> transition button or a fader bar.
> >
> > --- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, John Heiser <jpheiser@> wrote:
> > >
> > > There was a number hack in ADO for creating a page turn which
> appeared to
> > > twist the page as it moved off the screen, but the original ADO
> didn't
> > > actually do curved surfaces. Quantel was nice but out of reach
> financially
> > > for a lot of operations. Abekas A53D had a nice page roll and,
> with a
> > > combiner for multiple channels, you could do it in one pass.
> Otherwise, you
> > > would lay off your backside pass over superblack to tape
> machine, and key
> > > that along with the frontside.
> > >
> > > ----
> > > John Heiser
> > > o2ideas
> > > birmingham, alabama, USA
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Marilyn Heiss <mdivah@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > As far as I know--and I am one of the editors of "mature"
> vintage on
> > > > this list -- it was a Quantel product that had the first page
> turns
> > > > for tape post. It might have been the Quantel 5000, or maybe
> page
> > > > turns came in with the Mirage, which is the box that brought
> in the
> > > > shattering glass effect, among others. I know the first
> Quantel boxes
> > > > that came into our edit suites at NBC NY were 2D, then one
> suite got
> > > > the multi-channel Quantel and another got the Mirage. When
> ADO came
> > > > into the picture in all suites, page turns became the
> transition of
> > > > choice among many producers--they wanted to use them for
> everything....
> > > >
> > > > I cut a lot of news pieces on economic issues--lots of words
> with
> > > > little video and a lot of graphic representations--in a
> linear room
> > > > using a Grass Valley 1600 switcher and a one-channel 2D
> Quantel. So
> > > > many passes, so many hours to put together something that, as
> you say,
> > > > is now much simpler.
> > > >
> > > > Marilyn
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 10, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Sune Alexandersen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi group!
> > > > > I'm watching an old Norwegian tv-serie made in 1979 and the
> opening
> > > > > title made me think: how on earth did they achieve the page-
> turn
> > > > > transition before.. Eh... Fcp/Avid.. Everything!!
> > > > > They used a lot of effects in the good old days that is a
> simple drag
> > > > > and drop operation these days..
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope some of you with the proper mileage could shed some
> light on the
> > > > > issue!
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards from rainy Norway,
> > > > > Sune Alexandersen
> > > > > Sent whilst on the go!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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