Re: [FCP-L] Re: Sony EX1R Post Workflow

ProRes for us is also a nightmare for long form edits. This is offline
editing - meaning hundreds of hours of footage in shared storage. DVC
Pro HD was the only workable format but would still hiccup once in a
while when handling large photos. It is just hitting the 2.5GB memory
limit way too fast.

Of course for online where you only have 1 or 2 hours of footage
XDCAM, ProRes and DVC Pro HD is not a problem.

Dom Q. Silverio

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Shane Ross <comeback@mac.com> wrote:
> Yup...same issue here.  But ours was a NIGHTMARE where XDCAM EX was
> just one part.  We had 9 other formats.  But as soon as I changed the
> sequence settings away from native XDCAM to ProRes (yes, you have to
> render EVERYTHING when you are done), the crashes all but stopped.
>
> Log GOP MPEG on long form is nasty.
>
> IN the end it turned out fine.  Went from 4 crashes a day (bringing
> back awful flashbacks of Adrenaline days) to 1 every 3 days.  We
> didn't transcode XDCAM to ProRes...that would take WAY too long.  Just
> used that sequence setting.
>
> So I am biased towards DVCPRO HD as it is do darn easy to edit...even
> on a G4 Powerbook!  G5 Tower!  That no matter how good XDCAM looks...
> dealing with it in post (where I hang my hat) is NOT fun.  So when I
> am asked what formats/cameras I recommend... DVCPRO HD,
> AVCIntra...P2...is always on the top of the list.
>
> -shane
>
> On Dec 10, 2009, at 9:12 AM, Dom Q. Silverio wrote:
>
>> That too is my experience with EX footage with long form editing in
>> FCP 6 or 7. Tremendous amount of crashes and longer processing time
>> (renders, exports, etc) compared to DVC Pro HD. It requires too much
>> memory to process.
>>
>> Dom Q. Silverio
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:00 PM, r_salsbury
>> <synchro@syncretist.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I was gonna just let this go by, but since it's turned to a bigger
>> discussion, I'll mention that I've worked at 2 separate facilities
>> where XDCAM EX (1080/23.98) footage was a real hassle to work with
>> in FCP. Technically, it's just supposed to work as a native editing
>> format, but it drove folks a little crazy at both places. FCP 7 is
>> much better with it than 6, but for the shows I've been cutting,
>> it's not seamless. That translates to half hour or hour long shows.
>> >
>> > We were seeing lots of green frames, weird sync stuff, crashes way
>> more often than normal, and exports both self contained and
>> reference took forever. Like, 20 mins for a 30 minute sequence, with
>> a huge fibrechannel SAN as the backbone. Drives were not the
>> bottleneck.
>> >
>> > The current series I'm cutting for is shooting with these cameras
>> (I think the cheaper one), and after mighty amounts of
>> troubleshooting, we decided to transcode EVERYTHING that had been
>> shot thus far over to ProRes LT. Things have gotten so much better -
>> those self contained exports are down to about 3 or 4 minutes, and
>> no crashes.
>> >
>> > I like the way the footage looks, and would encourage folks to
>> check the cameras out, but not without trying to road test a project
>> the same size you'll really be working with.
>> >
>> > I'll also add that the assistants are impressed with how quick we
>> can load and integrate new material, even with the step of
>> transcoding from XD to ProRes, so there are speed advantages to the
>> format apparently.
>> >
>> > Anyway, my 2 cents.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Robert
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, David Dodson
>> <davidadodson@...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Now we're finally getting to the nut of what I was trying to
>> unearth.
>> >>
>> >> So when shooting with the EX1R's long GOP MPEG2s you have to copy
>> the card contents to a drive and THEN transcode/rewrap the material
>> to (ProRes?) for cutting?
>> >>
>> >> And more critically, is this a real-time or longer-than-real time
>> process?  And if not, how long?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> David
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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