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I'm talking about the microblocking. The HDV GOP artifacting. THis:
http://lfhd.
-shane
On Oct 23, 2009, at 3:00 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:
> Perhaps I'm focusing more on Macroblock errors and not thinking in
> terms of motion artifacts. I can see how that would be exaggerated
> by 15 or 8 fps look. I think the series I worked on was shot 30P
> which would be more forgiving. I hadn't realized the cameras had 8
> or 15 fps looks. Is that a menu setting or some sort of shutter
> trick. I haven't spent in quality time behind a lens since an HL-79
> so I'm interested in what games the camera dudes are doing these days.
>
> --- In FinalCutPro-
> >
> > No...what it is attributed to is the fact that they are shooting
> with
> > a 15fps and 8fps "look." They are adjusting the shutter to give a
> > very unique look to the footage, semi-film like, but with the low
> > shutter that means actions create great looking motion blurs.
> > Unfortunately, this increases the possibility of artifacting 10
> fold.
> > Yeah, they know about it, but they won't change the style. But we
> > also have another series that doesn't do that, and I swear, every
> time
> > there is a quick pan or zoom...BOOM, artifact.
> >
> > And Discovery accepts this.
> >
> > It is on the tape that way. Not an issue with FCP (which we edit
> > with). And yes, we capture as ProRes via HD SDI and Kona LHe cards.
> >
> > -shane
> >
> > > Wow that has not been my experience at all. Could this point to a
> > > particular camera and or source deck. I've cut several shows for
> > > discover ID and many had lots of HDV and delivered on HDCamSR. I
> > > haven't suffered anything like that. I'm working on Avid not that
> > > that should make a difference on drop out/hits. Are your HDV
> sources
> > > being captured of HDSDI? If your working with native HDV that is
> > > different from my workflow which involves HDSDI to Avid DNX 145.
> > >
> > > --- In FinalCutPro-
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I deliver two shows a week to Discovery (Investigation
> Discovery)
> > > that
> > > > are shot on HDV. I get a hit every 2 seconds on our recreations.
> > > > Interviews, with NO movement, fine. But recreations are off the
> > > > charts. They TOO go through the Discovery QC... but they
> "forgive"
> > > > these HDV artifacts, as they know there is nothing to be done.
> > > >
> > > > Odd, they never "forgave" beta hits. Always had to spend
> thousands
> > > or
> > > > hundreds fixing those.
> > > >
> > > > We output to HDCAM SR.
> > > >
> > > > -shane
> > > >
> > > > On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:02 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Wow I did 60 half hour episodes on HDV a couple years ago
> and I
> > > > > didn't have but two or 3 tape hits for the entire season. I
> was
> > > > > quite surprised and happy. These shows went through Discovery
> > > level
> > > > > QC so they had to be technically correct. I was using the
> HVR-1500
> > > > > which is the only deck to use for HDV unless you are dealing
> with
> > > > > the newer native progressive stuff. I guess the offline guys
> might
> > > > > have avoided shots with drop outs but that's usually not the
> case
> > > > > these days. I get shots all the time that are just plain wrong
> > > with
> > > > > iris shifts etc... that should have never been used so I doubt
> > > that
> > > > > series was any different. I was more surprised than anyone
> that
> > > the
> > > > > format worked so painlessly. I'm not debating image quality
> here
> > > > > just technical drop outs etc... It beat the heck out of
> fixing all
> > > > > the long interval drop outs from BetaSP from my experience.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FinalCutPro-
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah, well, acceptable by some networks. Which is bad
> because
> > > the
> > > > > hits
> > > > > > I see on GDV put hits on betasp tapes to shame. I have been
> > > forced
> > > > > to
> > > > > > work with it for nearly a year. Even converted to prores
> doesn't
> > > > > help.
> > > > > > The damage has already been done.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Shane
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scent frum my iFone.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Oct 22, 2009, at 6:23 AM, tcurren <tcurren@> wrote:
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> > > > > > > On Oct 22, 2009, at 5:23:14 AM, Pat wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > HDV is suitable for acquisition
> > > > > > > That's debatable. Crappy format if ever there was one. :-(
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Terence Curren
> > > > > > > Burbank, CA
> > > > > > > www.alphadogs.
> > > > > > > www.digitalservices
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